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also the collector did not have the penalty fares symbol on him - neither did he have his photo id on display - as I videoed him and just paused it then to see if he had any visible identification on him - and under 10.4 a & b he has no power to do anything.

6.2a would get me off - as I would satisfy both 4 a and b Also 8.2 and 8.4 - I haven't seen a std notice or a compulsory ticket are notice anywhere - not at the entrance I use as there is more than one entrance

They have just responded that the matter is closed. No further action is required

This bit hasnt been fome yet, emailed them with receipt number and asked thrm to confirm the withdrawal. Ill check online too to see if its listed.

Intent is enshrined in law I have displayed intent to the train company and they have wiped the penalty fare. I have not only intended to pay but actually attempted to. Their machinery was at fault. They need to prove that i intended to avoid a fare. I have now paid the outstanding fare, so now...

Again, i refer to the matter of intent. I intended to pay, i tried to pay. Intent to avoid was not in the mind, intent to pay was. The reason i couldnt pay is becaue of error on their behalf. Not mine. I shouldnt be held liable for a penalty fare when the penalty fare arose due to error on...

I will reply to them this morning and say that "seeing as your machine was at fault when i tried to buy my original return ticket costing 9.20 and i had to buy a ticket home costing 8.20 " To restore me back to my original position prior to the unnecessary action brought against me, technically...

I have emailed them and they responded twice now. 1 Ive had a response back from northern. They asked for a bit more evidence, which i submitted. Then they have asked me to pay the fair and the court proceedings will be withdrawn. They have asked for the price of the ticket, but i wanted a...

Evidence that reasonable efforts were made to purchase a ticket.

They have responded asking me to send eviden

And giving the true name and address .eans they pursue me through CIVIL means. Im assuming civil means isnt a summons in court under 5.1 isnt the pursuit via civil means.

Ok one last time before i send... 5.1 is satisfied because i gave my name and address, I dont have to do all 3 with one fail meaning i can be liable, if any one of the three are met i have satisfied 5.1 and therefore cannot be prosecuted under it ?

I will speak to them today, thank you !!

Yes i have that

I thought that surely the fact the witness statements can be proved to be incorrect, must count for something. Given that the prosecutions unit deal with so many appeals letters etc, surely they have experience of checking for when appeals are actually submitted, given they have actually stated...

Its pdf, i cant remove from pdf. I couĺd type it out ?

No, the two pdfs do not say you can appeal further.

Asking for reasoning behind a request for a nsme and address isnt not complying, i asked why and explained the events to him, explained that i should be given reasomable chance to pay. His witness statement doesnt say i didnt comply. It says he had occassuon to speak to a passenger who gave his...

But i gave my name and address ?? I did question why they needed it but i did give it to them ??

I might already be on the system if they have one, but thats because they tried to fine me when i already had a ticket. That was quickly resolved however when i took a pic of the retained ticket and sent it in to them.