£450m plan - Cowley to Oxford Parkway

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  1. route:oxford

    route:oxford Established Member

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    From The Oxford Mail

    http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/12...ey_branch_line_to_new_Oxford_Parkway_station/

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  2. Carlisle

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    Always great to see routes reopened but if capacity issues demand there's no alternative to quadrupling and building Flyovers etc, then this new Cowley service is surely extremely unlikely except in the very long term as Network Rails debt/workload is big enough already isn't it ?
     
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    Although there is some (admittedly rather long term) talk of some form of quadrupling/dynamic passing loops between Oxford and Didcot; so if that were to happen then this would suddenly become more sensible.
     
  4. WatcherZero

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    That £250-450m estimate excludes the cost of the stations other than £75m to expand Oxford Station O.o
     
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    NR's debt will keep growing until the economy's growing strongly again. As much as the government bangs on about austerity, we've actually seen very little of it in the places that count such as infrastructure, and far too much of it in places that save very little actual money. This is because the government knows full-well that austerity in a weak economy is a beginner-level error in economics.

    This is why the Tories invest in electrification where Labour didn't - because Labour didn't need to spend its way out of a crisis.
     
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    It sounds like an excuse to load enhancements to the rail network on to a reopening. I understand it is needed to deliver enhancements but four trackin a substantial part of the rail network seems to be pushing reasonable.

    Would four tracking in this area not end up being done anyway in the next control period
     
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    On the surface £450m+ for reopening the Cowley branch line seems astronomical. To put it in context it's over three times the cost of Chiltern's Oxford-Bicester-Marylebone link and half the cost of remodelling Reading. It's also more than the whole East West Rail Western Section...

    I'm sure capacity enhancements through Oxford will be required, however the sums don't add up. Reopening to Cowley seems a non-starter I'm afraid, unless the cost is much more sensible. Does Network Rail want Cowley to reopen or are these just silly prices?
     
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    It seems really odd that they're considering this now, when presumably this would be by far the most expensive part of reopening towards Princes Risborough - a much faster route to London for Chiltern than via Bicester. Why didn't they go for this in the first place?

    I understand that EWR made the economics of a Bicester chord very good, but if they want to do going to do both anyway they might as well get the best end result...
     
  9. route:oxford

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    They did look at this route initially.

    From memory...

    The old tunnel is in a poor state of repair and is now a bat sanctuary.
    A street called "Beeching Way" was built on the former route
    Some parts of the route through Wheatley have been built on.
    It would need two major bridges. One over the A40 and one over the M40.


    The Green Party are now demanding a station to serve the people of Cowley Marsh if this goes ahead.

    No mention of quite how they anticipate this would be done.
     
  10. The Planner

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    You would also need to re-bridge the river Thame at Wheatley as well as skirt Oxford services as they were built on the track bed. Houses are built on Tiddington station too. We have done this one before though, absolute non starter.
     
  11. Andyjs247

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    Actually it was the other way round. Chiltern got approval for the Bicester chord before East West Rail was on the cards and it probably helped the case for EWR. Now that the western section of EWR is happening there have been further enhancements beyond what Chiltern required for 2tph between Oxford and Marylebone. Line speed via Bicester is or will be mostly 100mph; I doubt you'd achieve that via Thame without even greater expense. So although further, it's probably not much slower. In short, going via Bicester made business sense. The potential of Oxford Parkway vs Oxford Business Park + Science Park is probably greater too.
     
  12. The Planner

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    Indeed that is the case, the original Bicester to Oxford upgrade consisted of a fair bit of single track until E-W came along.
     
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