07:05 Manchester - Bristol severely delayed (03/12)

Discussion in 'UK Railway Discussion' started by Mitchell Hurd, 3 Dec 2018.

  1. SECR263

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    I assume that one engine was left running and could supply power for toilets/heat/bar. If not, it was an unacceptable time, 7 hrs, to be stuck on a train without a working toilet. It may explain why no rescue train was sent to make an evacuation on the adjacent line. Wonder how long the free drinks lasted? Perhaps the Chief Inspector of Rail and Road should be locked up in a train for 7 hours with some friends without a loo/food to focus his mind on evacuation times.

    Perhaps we should have a track discharge toilet on each train for emergencies locked out when not needed?

    Running into animals is not unknown and to shut down 4 engines perhaps needs a engineering look at to see if this could be possibly avoided by "beefing" up the engine spaces. I am sure the engines were ok but the dangly bits were probably ripped off.

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  2. Highlandspring

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    If you gave an incident in the Log the title “Oh Deer” where I am it would be changed by the Duty Manager straightaway to something more appropriate, you’d be hauled into the office to explain yourself to the boss and more than likely put on poor performance monitoring.

    As for Bovine/Ovine/Cervine/Canine/Equine/Caprine/Vulpine/Porcine/Phasianine Incursions, it isn’t clever or funny and there’s absolutely no need for it. The Control Log isn’t the place for humour.
     
  3. Wilts Wanderer

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    Early in the operational life of the Voyager fleet, a mid-afternoon Manchester-Birmingham service became disabled at Four Ashes (near Penkridge) after striking a pigeon which 'entered' the roof-mounted heat exchanger at high velocity and caused the on board computer to have a nervous breakdown. Passengers were stuck on board for 8hrs+ with no aircon etc (it was July I believe). There was a failed attempt to rescue with another 220 but the software issue was transferred via the coupler, result TWO disabled units. Eventually an empty WCML loco-hauled set was brought alongside and pax evacuated via a wooden board with fire service assisting. Many Birmingham hotel rooms were filled with delayed rail passengers that night.
     
  4. Busaholic

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    All joking aside, motorists are killed in the UK by deer running into the road almost every year, with many other serious injuries. These don't all occur in the New Forest, Scottish Highlands or other obvious areas either: I knew someone who was killed just outside Truro a few years ago.
     
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    I stumbled across this yesterday whilst viewing OTT - it appeared at the time that the 2F97 0850 Great Malvern-Westbury was the train behind the 1V45. A tad of a stalemate whilst things were reviewed and then the 2F97 crossed to the up/northbound line at the points south of G74 signal. Subsequent to this a 1Z99 popped up behind the 1V45. I would assume that the latter coupled to the former and reversed back to get behind G74 and then crossed and headed back in a north direction - if the windscreen of the 1V45 had been impacted by the deer, then assorted bits and pieces would have to come into play to allow a move from G74 onto the 'up' road. After that the 1Z99 would have been fine for onward progress. If only I was still at work and could do a CCF replay!
     
  6. 43055

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    Couldn't the unit be able to limp with just 1 engine to a loop/siding or station to clear the line or did 4 engines being damaged mean the unit was not driveable?
     
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    I believe that was what happened until it put too much strain on the remaining engine
     
  8. Llanigraham

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    Actually those are accurate descriptions.
     
  9. Huntscross

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    That level of damage is surprising, I was on a train in Finland a few years back that hit a whole herd of deer, after less than an hour (and assistance from passangers) we were good to go. Big diesel loco though vs probably a far more fragile voyager.
     
  10. mpthomson

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    And a more common occurrence in Finland so more emphasis put on the front end design being able to take the impact. It's the same reason that Volvos and Saabs were always so strongly built, as the number of collisions with elk and moose in the forests means that the cars need to be significantly stronger.
     
  11. mpthomson

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    They may be but if used as an attempt at humour in what I suspect would be classed as a legal document then they have no place. The requirement for any document of this nature in any industry is that they use plain English and are easy to read/avoid jargon as far as possible. While that may be difficult for the more technical aspects of railway infra, using porcine, bovine etc isn’t appropriate.
     
  12. bb21

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    Better tell our lot quick then. ;)

    They are standard fare in the logs nowadays. Previously I had no idea what cervine, etc, were.
     
  13. 43055

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    Make sense. Id imagine they didn't want to loose the train completely
     
  14. Llanigraham

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    That suggests you do not inhabit the signalling world!
    Sorry, but they are commonly used terms nowadays.
    It is far easier to write "bovine incursion" in the TRB than "herd of cows on the line"!
     
  15. Journeyman

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    It's very common, though, and gets used all over the place, so has almost become standard language.

    My favourite ever control log entry was entitled "Badger on fire". We're talking third-rail territory here.
     
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    Reindeer can go right round the world in one night! (but only once a year)
     
  17. HowardGWR

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    That would be 'mustelid incinerated'.
     
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    I don't understand why people have got an issue with 'Bovine incursion'. I've always assumed it's not a joke anyway, just the factual name of the incident despite the phrase sounding funny.
     

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