08 collides with HST Power Car in Laira depot (05/07)

[trainmania100]

Can't find any other places to stick it but Gen is that an 08 on Laira has collided with 43321 + 43005 and the 08 is embedded into the nose cone of 43321.

Source: a person on uk-rail group on groups.io

 

[father_jack]

Duplicate post

 

[londonboi198o5]

The word “collide” is a bit of a over reaction a train wouldn’t “collide” in a depot.

 

[GB]

The word “collide” is a bit of a over reaction a train wouldn’t “collide” in a depot.

Maybe not in this case, but of course trains can collide in depots.

 

[Pete_uk]

'Had a disagreement' or 'Came to blows' might be more appropriate.

 

[Tomnick]

The word “collide” is a bit of a over reaction a train wouldn’t “collide” in a depot.

A low speed collision is still a collision, whether it’s in a depot, gently touching the buffer stops at a terminus or accidentally coupling to the train behind when splitting off from another one.

Scientifically speaking...

A collision is the event in which two or more bodies exert forces on each other in about a relatively short time. Although the most common use of the word collision refers to incidents in which two or more objects collide with great force, the scientific use of the term implies nothing about the magnitude of the force.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision

 

[Surreytraveller]

The word “collide” is a bit of a over reaction a train wouldn’t “collide” in a depot.

If two vehicles have unintentionally come into contact, or one vehicle has hit something that it shouldn't, then it is classed as a collision, even if no damage has occurred

 

[43096]

The word “collide” is a bit of a over reaction a train wouldn’t “collide” in a depot.

Really? Assuming the message is correct and isn't hyperbole, then an 08 "embedded" in an HST nose cone sounds like a collision to me.

 

[berwicksfinest]

nah just a conflicting movement

 

[theironroad]

In railway terms, if it's unplanned and unintentional, it's classed as a collision.

 

[59CosG95]

Faceache's 'finest' wibble-merchants have already been running around like headless chickens saying that 43321's a write-off. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[JN114]

Neither 43321 nor the depot 08 are involved. So the ‘gen’ is rubbish.

2x HST powercars have had a minor collision on the depot (1x XC, 1x GW). There is some minor damage to the GW powercar - Id be utterly astounded if it were a write-off.

 

[pdeaves]

Neither 43321 nor the depot 08 are involved. So the ‘gen’ is rubbish.

Quite right (well, I don't know about exact HST power car number). Maybe, just maybe, reference was made to 'shunters' (people) or 'shunting' and the Chinese whispers changed it into a shunting loco (i.e. 08).

 

[irish_rail]

Well I'm fairly sure the 08 was involved as well as 2 power cars

 

[broadgage]

Faceache's 'finest' wibble-merchants have already been running around like headless chickens saying that 43321's a write-off. I'll believe that when I see it.

Without having seen it myself, I would suggest that it might well be a write off, even with minor damage.
It appears virtually certain that a minority of HSTs will find other work including preservation and railtour operators.
It also appears virtually certain that significant numbers will be scrapped.
So why pay for repairs ? better to scrap the damaged vehicles surely, and keep undamaged ones.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

There is some minor damage to the GW powercar - Id be utterly astounded if it were a write-off.

They're old stock. Surely* it won't take much now to move a given power car from ' worth reusing' to 'send it to the scrapyard'?

*As in, I don't know, so I am happy to be corrected..

(ETA: and I now see @broadgage has already made this point.)

 

[randyrippley]

are there any spare nosecones? who owns the mould to make them?

 

[43096]

Without having seen it myself, I would suggest that it might well be a write off, even with minor damage.
It appears virtually certain that a minority of HSTs will find other work including preservation and railtour operators.
It also appears virtually certain that significant numbers will be scrapped.
So why pay for repairs ? better to scrap the damaged vehicles surely, and keep undamaged ones.

Without having seen it and without knowing what damage has been done, you then carry on anyway and post something of no value.

Just a load of made up dribble from many on this thread. Very much a case of wait and see.

 

[Mathew S]

Without having seen it and without knowing what damage has been done, you then carry on anyway and post something of no value.

Just a load of made up dribble from many on this thread. Very much a case of wait and see.

@broadgage and others do have a point though. Why repair a power car, even if it's a relatively minor issue, if you can scrap it instead.

 

[DarloRich]

@broadgage and others do have a point though. Why repair a power car, even if it's a relatively minor issue, if you can scrap it instead.

Because the lease will tell you to return the unit in the condition you found it. Of course the leasing company may agree to scrap the unit but that is not a given

 

[Mathew S]

Because the lease will tell you to return the unit in the condition you found it. Of course the leasing company may agree to scrap the unit but that is not a given

Fair point.

 

[NoMorePacers]

I mean, why have the ROSCOs just stored the HSTs off-lease at the minute rather than outright scrapping them? They must think that there is some use out there for them still.

 

[43096]

I mean, why have the ROSCOs just stored the HSTs off-lease at the minute rather than outright scrapping them? They must think that there is some use out there for them still.

There are other reasons why they have not been disposed of yet.

 

[Edders23]

The Roscos will be looking to maximise their value so they won't scrap them unless there is NO prospect of re-leasing them or selling them on which i would think could be a viable option as there are plenty of countries out there with long distance routes that need accelerating

as for the damaged units if they are part of leased sets repair might be cheaper than re-instating a stored replacement if it's only cosmetic damage

 

[43096]

The Roscos will be looking to maximise their value so they won't scrap them unless there is NO prospect of re-leasing them or selling them on which i would think could be a viable option as there are plenty of countries out there with long distance routes that need accelerating

You think wrong, then. There are not plenty of countries that have a need for a 125mph diesel train. There is pretty much no market for them.

 

[a_c_skinner]

There are other reasons why they have not been disposed of yet.

Do go on. A reply that simply says someone is wrong isn't informative and is commonplace on this site.

 

[43096]

Do go on. A reply that simply says someone is wrong isn't informative and is commonplace on this site.

Can't am afraid - much as I would like to.

 

[NoMorePacers]

Can't am afraid - much as I would like to.

So I was wrong, but I can't know how I was wrong? Logic.

 

[PHILIPE]

So I was wrong, but I can't know how I was wrong? Logic.

There are people who work in the industry with inside knowledge which they are not allowed to disclose to the public. If they do they could suffer serious consequences.

 

[a_c_skinner]

A better reply would have been to add that the reasons are commercially confidential, as it is it sounds like simple one-up-manship. I suspect they will be added to the reserve of steam engines in a tunnel somewhere so it is national security but of course they will deny that, proving it is true.

Who is responsible for the stored vehicles? Are they still leased or back with the ROSCO? Either way I cannot see anything costly being done unless a new lessee is found. Meanwhile Cross Country and Hull Trains struggle on despite being short of rolling stock and already operating 125s.