08 collides with HST Power Car in Laira depot (05/07)

[NoMorePacers]

Although they could suffer the fate of the Class 58s and spend over a decade in storage where they come out all rusted and rotten and definitely unfit to run trains anymore.

 

[Harbornite]

Without having seen it and without knowing what damage has been done, you then carry on anyway and post something of no value.

Just a load of made up dribble from many on this thread. Very much a case of wait and see.

Indeed.

 

[43096]

A better reply would have been to add that the reasons are commercially confidential, as it is it sounds like simple one-up-manship. I suspect they will be added to the reserve of steam engines in a tunnel somewhere so it is national security but of course they will deny that, proving it is true.

Who is responsible for the stored vehicles? Are they still leased or back with the ROSCO? Either way I cannot see anything costly being done unless a new lessee is found. Meanwhile Cross Country and Hull Trains struggle on despite being short of rolling stock and already operating 125s.

The ROSCOs are responsible for the stored vehicles as they’re off lease. Obviously there is a cost to that, and with not much prospect of getting them back on lease, they will be looking to minimise that cost.

In the case of Hull Trains there is nothing stopping them taking more HSTs - as an Open Access operator the decision is entirely theirs (unlike XC where DfT has the final say).

 

[High Dyke]

In railway terms, if it's unplanned and unintentional, it's classed as a collision.

It may have been a planned get together...

 

[a_c_skinner]

unlike XC where DfT has the final say.

Indeed. If only we'd privatised the railways properly...

 

[Fawkes Cat]

Because the lease will tell you to return the unit in the condition you found it. Of course the leasing company may agree to scrap the unit but that is not a given

Again, surely there will be a limit to this? If a unit is totally destroyed (fire, catastrophic collision damage, irrecoverably falling in the sea at Dawlish, whatever) then wouldn't the ROSCO settle for a cash payment instead?

 

[DarloRich]

Again, surely there will be a limit to this? If a unit is totally destroyed (fire, catastrophic collision damage, irrecoverably falling in the sea at Dawlish, whatever) then wouldn't the ROSCO settle for a cash payment instead?

Yes. Obviously it will be insured in any event.

 

[alexl92]

So... do we know if the 08 was involved at all?

 

[Edders23]

You think wrong, then. There are not plenty of countries that have a need for a 125mph diesel train. There is pretty much no market for them.

Not Neccessarily as 125mph but plenty of overseas railways buy second hand stock

 

[JN114]

So... do we know if the 08 was involved at all?

Kind of, the movement was being driven from the 08. No damage sustained to it or the power car it was moving. The collision was between the two power cars; and the 08 wasn’t embedded in anything

 

[43096]

Not Neccessarily as 125mph but plenty of overseas railways buy second hand stock

They’re not buying non-standard rolling stock of reduced size and with high floors though. They may buy secondhand from the likes of DB or ÖBB, but not from the U.K.

I’m afraid you’re dreaming if you think there is a secondhand overseas market for HSTs.

 

[DEAN MURPHY]

Are there any photos of the collision yet?

 

[northernbelle]

Both power cars involved have a future mapped out for them so I'd be very surprised if they were 'written off'.

There is a market for reuse of surplus HST stock, but a lot of stored vehicles would require some quite heavy maintenance and PRM modifications if for passenger use. The UK is still desperate for every diesel passenger train that can be found, so HSTs might yet factor in that.

I am sure that at least some of the off-lease stock will have an Indian summer.

 

[Southern Dvr]

We’ve had this situation before when VXC ditched the HSTs and it looked like many were headed for the torch. However a deal with FGW was done and voila nothing was scrapped. It all depends on what is being done with the stored examples. If they’re just switched off in ely potters then it’s probably game over. However if they are being switched on and ticked over every so often then anything can happen.

 

[DarloRich]

We’ve had this situation before when VXC ditched the HSTs and it looked like many were headed for the torch. However a deal with FGW was done and voila nothing was scrapped. It all depends on what is being done with the stored examples. If they’re just switched off in ely potters then it’s probably game over. However if they are being switched on and ticked over every so often then anything can happen.

Did one of them stored last time not have a tree growing out of it when recovered?

 

[sprinterguy]

Did one of them stored last time not have a tree growing out of it when recovered?

Not so much a tree as weeds in the headlight clusters. That was 43101, popularly considered a 'demic' at the time but was subsequently refurbished and returned to service as Crosscountry's 43301, and incidentally was the XC power car involved in this incident. So for the second time in its life, rumours of its demise have been greatly exaggerated. It's certainly not a "write off".

 

[43096]

Not so much a tree as weeds in the headlight clusters. That was 43101, popularly considered a 'demic' at the time but was subsequently refurbished and returned to service as Crosscountry's 43301, and incidentally was the XC power car involved in this incident. So for the second time in its life, rumours of its demise have been greatly exaggerated. It's certainly not a "write off".

The vehicle reported involved was 43321, not 43301.

The power car with a tree growing in the cab was 43104 when it was stored at Laira. 43104 was in far worse condition before it was resurrected as an insurance replacement for 43011/173 (via swap with 43029 in the Virgin fleet).

 

[sprinterguy]

The vehicle reported involved was 43321, not 43301.

As noted in post 12 the XC power car was wrongly identified in the first instance.

The power car with a tree growing in the cab was 43104 when it was stored at Laira. 43104 was in far worse condition before it was resurrected as an insurance replacement for 43011/173 (via swap with 43029 in the Virgin fleet).

Darlorich's post seemed to reference a post-VXC power car, and the popularly shared image of a power car not expected to return to service is of 43101 during its tenure at BRUSH Loughborough, as seen here for reference:
http://www.railway-centre.com/uploads/7/2/2/3/7223531/4646602_orig.jpg

I hadn't realised that historically there was a power car previously stored in poor condition (I'd wondered previously as to the mechanism behind 43029 transferring from VXC to FGW); this would appear to be 43104 on its way from Laira to Crewe, which cosmetically at least doesn't look as bad:
http://www.taillampphotography.com/Graphics Used For Website/CLASS_43/43300_43384/MKLRa43_304_01.jpg