1970s Newcastle-Liverpool headcodes

[crosscity]

I am looking for the headcodes for Newcastle-Liverpool trains (and vice versa) in the 1973/4, 1974/5 and 1975/6 timetables.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[Bevan Price]

I am looking for the headcodes for Newcastle-Liverpool trains (and vice versa) in the 1973/4, 1974/5 and 1975/6 timetables.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Can't remember them all, but for several years, 1M77 and 1M79 were the last (weekday) trains from Newcastle to Liverpool. I think 1M63 or 1M67 was one of the morning departures from Newcastle.

I have a 1975 photo of a Peak with headcode 1E16, possibly on the last afternoon departure from Liverpool to Newcastle.

1M67 was the first Sunday arrival in Liverpool from Newcastle (based on 2 photos of diverted services in 1970 & 1976.)

 

[crosscity]

If there isn't a list of them all anywhere, I am specifically looking for the headcodes for

1) The Liverpool-Newcastle train which left York at 15:21 on Sat 24/8/74 (it was hauled by 40052).
2) The 07:55 Newcastle-Liverpool which ran on Tue 20/4/76 (also hauled by a Class 40)

From photos I've got, the 08:00 Liverpool-Newcastle was 1E91 in 1973 and 1974.

 

[Bevan Price]

Try this method, using the "Wayback" website, which leads to selective archives of old versions of web pages. For example, see:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080509065131/http://www.timewarp.abelgratis.com/dy/jul77.html


Scroll down through the daily entries and you will find some Liverpool / Newcastle trains and their headcodes.


For other months, starting with:-

http://www.timewarp.abelgratis.com/dy/jun77.html

Alter the date and year in the above web address and copy it into the search box on this page:

http://archive.org/web/

It should give a calendar of dates on which archive versions were saved. It is pot luck as to which months & year pages still exist as archives, but if you search enough, it may provide most of the headcodes you need. Good luck. (PS - page versions saved in 2009 or earlier seem most likely to contain useful data; some pages saved in 2011 or later seem to have lost much of the data.)

 

[David Barrett]

Have you trawled ebay or second hand book sellers for the necessary Working Timetables? Eastern Region Mandatory Section A (or YA) covers the section of Main Line between York and Newcastle over which these services operated and, I think, YG for the remainder of their journey within the Eastern Region.

 

[crosscity]

Have you trawled ebay or second hand book sellers for the necessary Working Timetables?

This is something I hadn't thought of and I will pursue.

And thank you Bevan Price. The on-line archives are really interesting, and will help me with some other queries too.

Thank you both for your help.