1A40 Night Riviera Sleeper to London (22/1/12)

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  1. anthony263

    anthony263 Established Member

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    At the moment there is only 57602, 57603 & 57605 (although thats supposed to be off to brush soon for repiars)

    Not sure where 57604 is at the moment so FGW are really pushing the 57 fleet
     
  2. TEW

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    57604 is on an exam, 57605 is still damaged after hitting a tree and although it has been reported working the ECS move from Paddington to Old Oak I seriously doubt it will be able to run to Penzance.
     
  3. crewmeal

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    Not being technically minded, why can't 47's operate this service? There are enough of them still around.
     
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    Because FGW don't have any of them and their drivers don't sign for them any more. So you would need to find a FOC that was willing to lend you a 47, a driver who signed the route to drive the service and of course this 47 would actually have to be nearby to the area if the only 47 available is up in Carlisle that isn't going to be very useful for FGW that night! All of those factors add up to costing rather a lot of money therefore it's much better to make use of a pair of HST powercars that FGW already have at their disposal and that their drivers sign for.
     
  5. The Crab

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    Well I guess that answers the oft posed question "Are HST's loco hauled trains?"
     
  6. thameslink2000

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    Does anyone know if the HSTs are operating with the sleeper again tonight. I assume it would be the Paddington to Penzance direction this time.
     
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    If they did, it would be the Penzance to Paddington direction tonight.
     
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    I think the 43s came off at Newton Abbot.
     
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    According to an email on one of the Yahoo gen groups, it left Exeter with the HSTs still attached, so I assume they continued all the way to Paddington.
     
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    He means last night, the power cars went with the sleeper from Paddington to Newton Abbot, and the loco continued on its own to Penzance.
     
  11. TEW

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    No, last night the HST powercars ran from Penzance-Newton Abbot before running back to Laira depot. 57602 worked the service Newton Abbot-London alone. 57603 worked the Paddington-Penzance service. Tonight if 57602 is unavailable to work the sleeper to Penzance a 57/3 will probably be hired in, HST powercars are only used when there is absolutely no other option as they aren't really designed to work as conventional locomotives. 47s can and have been used as recently as 2008, some FGW drivers did retain 47 knowledge but I have no idea whether they still do. The use of 47s stopped when Cotswold Rail finished though, as that's where the 47s were hired from.
     
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    Do you think its likely that 67's might take over these workings as well? Are there enough of them?
     
  13. TEW

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    Extremely unlikely, the current operation is entirely within FGW. Using 67s would mean hiring in locos from DBS which will be more expensive.
     
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    57602 operating the 2345 from Paddington this evening.
     
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