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2 or 3 door vehicles

BingMan

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What is the point of cars with only two doors into the passenger compartment?
Are they a lot cheaper?

I have had a couple of these because they seemed to be a bargain.
The one that was my personal transport I junked the rear seats and used it as a van.

But the one that was a family car was a nightmare; trying to get arthritic old ladies or huge rugby players into the back seats was slow and difficult.
And a fitting and using a baby seat was nearly impossible.

So it was never again. Now I will pay a bit more for two more doors
 
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Part aesthetic preference, part convenience, can also be a price benefit if you're not lugging around kids or pets. Surely this just a case of horses cars for courses?
 

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Indeed, i could get away with just door as 99+% of the time only the front seats are occupied. Don't seem to be that many 2 door cars around for sale these days though, except sports car types.
 

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Cheaper to manufacture and the doors are usually longer making access for driver and passenger easier. However they are no good if you carry rear seat passengers regularly.

BMW did break the mold with the first 1 series. Friends had one and having tried to get in the back seat with my wife and daughter it was definately a two seater car with four doors! Shoulder and legroom was so poor we had to use my car.
 

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Back in the 1980s it wasn't unheard of for the mainstream 'C-segment' cars (Cavaliers and Sierras) to be offered in 2/3-door variants. Later these were phased out and the only larger cars you'd get without rear doors were the likes of Vauxhall's Calibra which was essentially a Cavalier coupé. There was generally more choice of body styles across the mainstream ranges back then though. Volkswagen offered the early 90s Polo in saloon and estate versions as well as the more common hatchback, and Vauxhall/Opel offered the Nova/Corsa in saloon form.
Nowadays your choice is a blob, or a slightly bigger blob.
 

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Indeed, i could get away with just door as 99+% of the time only the front seats are occupied. Don't seem to be that many 2 door cars around for sale these days though, except sports car types.
One of the Ferdinand Porsches - I'm not sure which - pointed out that a 911 is perfectly capable of the vast majority of car use, which only requires two seats and a small luggage space.
 

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One of the Ferdinand Porsches - I'm not sure which - pointed out that a 911 is perfectly capable of the vast majority of car use, which only requires two seats and a small luggage space.
Looking at traffic in the commuter crawl one seat and a briefcase is all that most users need.
But they carry a spare armchair and sofa with them and complain about cyclist taking up too much road.
 

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Looking at traffic in the commuter crawl one seat and a briefcase is all that most users need.
The second seat and space for a couple of carrier bags or small suitcases do get used often enough to be worth having.
 

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Most of the journeys I could do without passengers or a lot of luggage I cycle/bus/train. If I needed a car mainly for commuting I would consider one though - the cost savings of a 3 door can be huge, plus they're smaller/lighter cars with (usually) decent fuel economy.
 

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I'm a big fan of small cars, and on those I personally find just one passenger door on each side to be a lot more aesthetically pleasing. Think along the lines of your Citroen Saxo, Ford Fiesta, Peugeot 106/206, Renault Clio Mk1/2, Suzuki Swift, Toyota Aygo/Yaris etc. The four door versions of these smaller cars I think look too 'busy' on the side with the doors and lines squashed on, where as the two door ones look a lot 'cleaner'. I do however get the fact they aren't as practical (particularly if you regularly use the rear seats) and have to admit that on occasions even a small two door car fan like myself has sometimes thought a rear door might be handy, and the longer length doors you get on two door cars can also make it slightly harder to squeeze in if someone has parked closely alongside as you can't open them as wide at the bit alongside your driver's seat. In general life though, I like them.

On even only slightly larger cars though, I don't think two doors look as good. The likes of the BMW 3 Series, Ford Focus, Vauxhall Astra etc I think look a lot better with four passenger doors. I have noticed as some of the two door cars have grown with each later generation, some manufacturers have 'hidden' the rear door handles behind the rear window glass. This may well be for streamlining but it also has the effect of making them look more like two door cars. Examples of this include later generations of the Nissan Micra (2016 onwards), Renault Clio (2012 onwards) and Suzuki Swift (2016-2023, as the latest version seems to have regained conventional rear door handles). Because the front doors are the shorter length needed to accommodate the rear doors, I find this two door car look appears 'awkward' with extra long blank rear half of the car.

So in short, I can only think - as mentioned by other posters - the reasons must be down to cost and aesthetic (although the latter point is clearly down to personal taste rather than any kind of fact). They almost certainly don't win when it comes to overall practicality, and I'm not sure if resale value takes - or rather took, given how rare two doors on common everyday car models are - a bigger dive than four door cars if the majority of people now prefer the practicality offered by four doors?
 

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Many modern small hatchbacks (even things like the original Audi A3) are designed as a 2 door, and then the 4door developed from that, which is why many of them look a bit clumsy in 4 door format.
 

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Hatchbacks would be 3-door, not 2. A 2-door car would be a saloon. ;)

Though this convention leads to oddities like the original BMW Mini Clubmans being listed on AutoTrader as a "5-door" car... which as they only have a rear door on one side is only technically correct if you count the van-style tailgate as two separate doors!
 

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My only 2 door car, was a Saab 9-3 Aero, a convertible. Son's teen growth spurt meant it was traded for a biggish saloon.

Pushing the boundary of "2 door" - but Mazda's RX8 with tiny opposed-opening rear doors, offered a reasonable way to get in and out the rear seats. Shame its engine wasn't as reliable as its doors...

Going back to the start of this century, Renault Avantime was a car I wish I'd owned - it was so different. It was a 3 door but those side doors were huge.

A nicely restored BMW E21 323i 2 door convertible is local to me. That BMW was available as a hard top 2 door, too.

I remember Jaguar's 2 door XJ Coupe - a shorter wheelbase than the standard XJ; but, to me, its proportions looked "odd".

Vauxhall's Cavalier 2 door (mentioned up-thread), also Ford's Granada/Consul Coupe and Cortina Mk3 Coupe - 2 doors - I can still recall out on the roads.
 
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One of the worst, from a stylistic viewpoint, must have been the two-door Morris Marina, optimistically called a coupé. For those who don't remember them, they had a quite different body shape from the four-door, but cost cutting meant they shared the four-door's narrow doors. The side view just looked all wrong. Unfortunately that wasn't the only thing wrong with the design.
 

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From a manufacturing point of view, yes - it's much cheaper to make a 2 door than a 4 door.
In the past, yes, a saving when a model was offered in two-door or four-door variations, or hatchbacks in three or five-door variations.
It is a possibility ,the engineers have enhanced their manufacturing skills, they can "press and punch " sheet metal so cheaply and efficiently , the cost of the additional panels of the extra doors are no longer a significant cost.
The Dacia Sandero , a very low-cost car, yet reliable and trustworthy, according to a friend in car retailing, is a five-door, no economy measures such as a three-doors even for such a modest car
 

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Back in the 1950s quite a number of cars were designed to seat three people across a "bench" front seat. A column gear change made this possible, but the extra passenger made the driving position a bit squished. Impossible once seat belts were introduced of course.
 

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Back in the 1950s quite a number of cars were designed to seat three people across a "bench" front seat. A column gear change made this possible, but the extra passenger made the driving position a bit squished. Impossible once seat belts were introduced of course.
The were saloon cars with a boot but no external lid, access was from the inside of the car, the Standard 8.
Here is a Standard 8, no boot lid, only a panel to access a spare wheel.
Standard 8
 

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The were saloon cars with a boot but no external lid, access was from the inside of the car, the Standard 8.
Here is a Standard 8, no boot lid, only a panel to access a spare wheel.
Standard 8

Was it the Standard 8 which originally had just one brake light (above the number plate)?
 

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In the past, yes, a saving when a model was offered in two-door or four-door variations, or hatchbacks in three or five-door variations.
It is a possibility ,the engineers have enhanced their manufacturing skills, they can "press and punch " sheet metal so cheaply and efficiently , the cost of the additional panels of the extra doors are no longer a significant cost.
Interesting... a few years ago I had to replace a door after finding a crack in it under the paint which had obviously been there since manufacture - the replacement, including labour obviously, came to about £1000.

I would have thought that while the panels are relatively cheap, there's the structural differences as well and the actual hinges etc in the extra doors. Car manufacturers do have a habit of trying to save on even relatively cheap parts because over the thousands of cars produced it all adds up... quickly!
 

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Then you have the oddball cars like the Hyundai Veloster that have two doors on one side but only one on the other
Caused issues for the original New Mini Clubman as they did not change the main body for LHD/RHD markets so we'd have the issue that the side with the back door would usually be on the road rather than the pavement side.
 

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Back in the 1950s quite a number of cars were designed to seat three people across a "bench" front seat. A column gear change made this possible, but the extra passenger made the driving position a bit squished. Impossible once seat belts were introduced of course.
I had an Austin like that back in the early seventies. It had the addition advantage that you could enter or exit via the passenger side door.

I really would like an LHD vehicle so that I could get in and out fon the pavement side rather than having to wait ten minutes for a gap in the traffic.
Not sure why UK vehicles are RHD

Then you have the oddball cars like the Hyundai Veloster that have two doors on one side but only one on the other
That seems very sensible. Letting passengers, especially children out on the traffic side is unwise

Caused issues for the original New Mini Clubman as they did not change the main body for LHD/RHD markets so we'd have the issue that the side with the back door would usually be on the road rather than the pavement side.
 

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Not sure why UK vehicles are RHD
Gives a better view when deciding whether to pull out and overtake. However, it only really makes a difference on single carriageways, and with traffic levels these days the opportunity to do this is becoming vanishingly rare in many places.
 

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I had an Austin like that back in the early seventies. It had the addition advantage that you could enter or exit via the passenger side door.

I really would like an LHD vehicle so that I could get in and out fon the pavement side rather than having to wait ten minutes for a gap in the traffic.
Not sure why UK vehicles are RHD
Because someone decided so a long time ago and now all infrastructure is designed that way. You can get a LHD car though (import), unlike some countries its not illegal. It would be awkward when it comes to places like barriers and drive throughs of course.
 

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I really would like an LHD vehicle so that I could get in and out fon the pavement side rather than having to wait ten minutes for a gap in the traffic.
I would venture to suggest that one ought not to park on a road with that combination of narrowness & traffic. But that's as much, if not more, the fault of urban planners and road designers than it is any individual driver.
That seems very sensible. Letting passengers, especially children out on the traffic side is unwise
On the other hand, if it becomes necessary to stop/park on the opposite side, it's then impossible for passengers to get out on the side away from traffic. And of course having both options is useful when parked off the street.
Gives a better view when deciding whether to pull out and overtake. However, it only really makes a difference on single carriageways, and with traffic levels these days the opportunity to do this is becoming vanishingly rare in many places.
Also seeing oncoming traffic when turning across it, and seeing ahead of a vehicle you're passing on a multiple-lane road. I'm pretty sure every country with motor vehicles has the default arrangement with the driver towards the centre of the road.
 

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Also seeing oncoming traffic when turning across it, and seeing ahead of a vehicle you're passing on a multiple-lane road. I'm pretty sure every country with motor vehicles has the default arrangement with the driver towards the centre of the road.
For right turns across oncoming traffic, the visibility is only going to be better from the right hand seat if there is traffic immediately in front of the turning vehicle. It may even give better visibility from the left seat if there is a right hand bend (from the point of view of the turning vehicle) just after the turn.

For overtakes on multi-lane roads, again I don't think it makes much difference unless pulling out of a lane of very slow or standing traffic. It's the mirror image of going into a lane to the left in a right hand drive vehicle, where it's important to look in the left wing mirror because so many people "undertake" these days. Modern curved wing mirrors give a much better view than the old ones, and at one time cars didn't even require a wing mirror on the non-driver side (presumably unless travelling to countries driving on the right).

Overtake on a two-way road is the major situation where right hand drive is important, because it needs the best possible view ahead past the vehicle about to be overtaken.

I agree the preferred arrangement for all countries is right hand drive for left hand running and vice versa, but I'm suggesting the disadvantage of the opposite isn't actually that much.
 

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I agree the preferred arrangement for all countries is right hand drive for left hand running and vice versa, but I'm suggesting the disadvantage of the opposite isn't actually that much.
I have driven a RHD vehicle in France with perfect confidence. And no difficulty in overtaking. That might be because I start my overtake the old fashioned way from several lengths behind the vehicle in front which gives a fo0od sight line past it.; Rather than the favoured modern method of driving up to with a couple of meters then darting out to see if it is clear to pass
 

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I have driven a RHD vehicle in France with perfect confidence. And no difficulty in overtaking. That might be because I start my overtake the old fashioned way from several lengths behind the vehicle in front which gives a fo0od sight line past it.; Rather than the favoured modern method of driving up to with a couple of meters then darting out to see if it is clear to pass
The main problem with driving a RHD car on the French Autoroutes is the toll gates!
 

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The main problem with driving a RHD car on the French Autoroutes is the toll gates!
Not if you have a savvy passenger. In act changing the responsibility for paying tolls from the driver to the passenger enhances safety
 

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