30th May 0732 Ipswich -Peterborough service

[Sleepy]

This unusual working on Sunday (reverses at Cambridge) does not appear in journey planners - what causes this to happen ?

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Which day are you referring to?

Sunday is 30th May.

The 0721 Ipswich - Peterborough working on Sunday doesn't appear to be routed via Cambridge.

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[Shwam3]

Which day are you referring to?

Sunday is 30th May.

The 0721 Ipswich - Peterborough working doesn't appear to be routed via Cambridge.

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If you go to the detailed view you will see it is routed via Cambridge, but is not an advertised stop.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

If you go to the detailed view you will see it is routed via Cambridge, but is not an advertised stop.

Ta for clarifying. It is the 30th though!

 

[Shwam3]

Ta for clarifying. It is the 30th though!

Yep, and it does appear in journey planners:

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Yep, and it does appear in journey planners:

But maybe not as an arrival/departure from Cambridge, presumably no boarding or alighting officially allowed there on this particular service.

 

[Sleepy]

Apologies for wrong date ! I was searching Cambridge - Peterborough leg on planners so that explains it. Why not advertise call at Cambridge though ??

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Reason for diversion via Cambridge seems to be planned engineering works on the more direct route at / via Soham.

Not sure why Cambridge isn't made an advertised call now that the service is routed that way instead.

Can anyone advise? Is it because Cross Country normally are the only operators between Cambridge and Peterborough?

 

[30907]

Reason for diversion via Cambridge seems to be planned engineering works on the more direct route at / via Soham.

Not sure why Cambridge isn't made an advertised call now that the service is routed that way instead.

Can anyone advise? Is it because Cross Country normally are the only operators between Cambridge and Peterborough?

I would think it's because it offers a train 2 1/2 hours before the normal first train at 1100, which is just confusing.

 

[Ianno87]

Reason for diversion via Cambridge seems to be planned engineering works on the more direct route at / via Soham.

Not sure why Cambridge isn't made an advertised call now that the service is routed that way instead.

Can anyone advise? Is it because Cross Country normally are the only operators between Cambridge and Peterborough?

I'd presume not to have a "one off" train call that doesn't operate any other weekend.

Plus, if the works get cancelled, it means it can run normal route via Soham.

Edit: Looks like an all day block via Soham, so the odd train is just to position the unit on the "far" side of the block via Soham.

There is a return working in the evening to get the unit back via Cambridge, but it runs empty in that direction.

 

[86246]

I'd presume not to have a "one off" train call that doesn't operate any other weekend.

Plus, if the works get cancelled, it means it can run normal route via Soham.

Edit: Looks like an all day block via Soham, so the odd train is just to position the unit on the "far" side of the block via Soham.

There is a return working in the evening to get the unit back via Cambridge, but it runs empty in that direction.

Yes. Usually the unit arrives from Crown Point to run the Ely - Peterborough services but there are engineering works between Norwich and Wymondham on Sunday.

 

[dk1]

Will need a Cambridge or Norwich driver to operate Cambridge to Ely. No Ipswich or Colchester crews sign that section.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Might the issue be that Greater Anglia wouldn't be entitled to any share of the revenue for passengers boarding at Cambridge with tickets from there, because they don't normally ever operate any services from Cambridge to Ely.

 

[superjohn]

Might the issue be that Greater Anglia wouldn't be entitled to any share of the revenue for passengers boarding at Cambridge with tickets from there, because they don't normally ever operate any services from Cambridge to Ely.

They operate hourly in the form of the Stansted to Norwich services. There are also the peak services from Liverpool Street to Kings Lynn. Much more likely just a driver changing stop that is not advertised as it would cause confusion.

 

[Ianno87]

They operate hourly in the form of the Stansted to Norwich services. There are also the peak services from Liverpool Street to Kings Lynn. Much more likely just a driver changing stop that is not advertised as it would cause confusion.

People might bail off the train at Cambridge as they're used to it being "the end of the line"

 

[dk1]

Might the issue be that Greater Anglia wouldn't be entitled to any share of the revenue for passengers boarding at Cambridge with tickets from there, because they don't normally ever operate any services from Cambridge to Ely.

Hourly GA services 7 days a week between Ely & Cambridge with peak extras too.

People might bail off the train at Cambridge as they're used to it being "the end of the line"

They’d soon get back on again if they where that daft & going to Peterborough.

 

[Sleepy]

It "called" at Cambridge to allow passengers to board anyway due to over-running engineering works affecting those that were trying to get to ECML via Stevenage.

Will need a Cambridge or Norwich driver to operate Cambridge to Ely. No Ipswich or Colchester crews sign that section.

It would also need a Norwich guard as Ipswich guards don't sign that section either.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

All seems to have run more or less on time a little earlier today....

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[dk1]

It "called" at Cambridge to allow passengers to board anyway due to over-running engineering works affecting those that were trying to get to ECML via Stevenage.


It would also need a Norwich guard as Ipswich guards don't sign that section either.

Yes Ipswich haven't signed that route since the 90s. An extra Norwich guard went to Cambridge in a taxi this morning.

 

[Class 170101]

Yes Ipswich haven't signed that route since the 90s. An extra Norwich guard went to Cambridge in a taxi this morning.

Totally OTT that section is DOO.

 

[Sleepy]

Totally OTT that section is DOO.

GA haven't run any 755 stock north of Cambridge in DOO mode yet, it's only for emergency situations.

 

[dk1]

Totally OTT that section is DOO.

Has to be booked with a guard. Two separate taxis take guards every Sunday morning for the first Stansted & first Norwich departures from Cambridge. This was just a bonus one on top.