319s on LNWR

colchesterken

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Trainspotting today at South Kenton lots of 319s out and about mostly in White livery with Blue doors
Indeed had a ride on one back from Harrow & Wealdstone. PRM compliant but no air con 30c outside bit hot
Have some of the 350 gone on holiday?
 
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Trainspotting today at South Kenton lots of 319s out and about mostly in White livery with Blue doors
Indeed had a ride on one back from Harrow & Wealdstone. PRM compliant but no air con 30c outside bit hot
Have some of the 350 gone on holiday?
Nope, 350s are still very much here, it’s just there are now more 319 diagrams in place since the timetable change, so 319s are a relatively common sight for the time being. :)
 

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Seems to be going backwards the 350 are a better train, the 319 I came back on was a bit tatty
Does that mean that there a number of 350s resting in a train care home someware
 

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Seems to be going backwards the 350 are a better train, the 319 I came back on was a bit tatty
Does that mean that there a number of 350s resting in a train care home somewhere
I think the trouble is they don’t care about the 319s appearance, as they aren’t here for much longer. :(
 

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Seems to be going backwards the 350 are a better train, the 319 I came back on was a bit tatty

Yeah, they're not well looked after. That said, the 319/2s (ex Brighton Express) are my favourite train on LNR - super-generous seat spacing and proper 2+1 First Class.

Does that mean that there a number of 350s resting in a train care home someware

Northampton, mostly.
 

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Nope, 350s are still very much here, it’s just there are now more 319 diagrams in place since the timetable change, so 319s are a relatively common sight for the time being. :)
Do you know what these diagrams are - still peak only?
 

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Do you know what these diagrams are - still peak only?

Observed Evening peaks Mon-Fri:

2N73 1630 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N75 1723 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N69 1824 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2B65 1838 Euston-Bletchley (12 car)

Not sure of the Morning services, but on RTT they are usually shown as timed for Class 321 rather than class 350.
 

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Observed Evening peaks Mon-Fri:

2N73 1630 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N75 1723 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N69 1824 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2B65 1838 Euston-Bletchley (12 car)

Not sure of the Morning services, but on RTT they are usually shown as timed for Class 321 rather than class 350.
I've seen the 2N69 also run as a 12 car recently
 

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Observed Evening peaks Mon-Fri:

2N73 1630 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N75 1723 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2N69 1824 Euston-Northampton (8 car)
2B65 1838 Euston-Bletchley (12 car)

Not sure of the Morning services, but on RTT they are usually shown as timed for Class 321 rather than class 350.

Once again, Northampton gets the thin end of the wedge with decrepit class 319s covering turns to Northampton.

The 319s should be confined to Tring's or MK at a push. They are totally unsuited for journeys of over an hour (which most of the Northampton turns are).
 

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The 319s should be confined to Tring's or MK at a push. They are totally unsuited for journeys of over an hour (which most of the Northampton turns are).
Yes. It's certainly a backward step in both speed and comfort, going back to before 1989-90, when the 321/4s replaced the 317s on all the routes.
 

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LNW Euston 319s
I /think/ these are the trains, compiled from reports and observations and gap filling by use of RTT - I do not know what the links are between the a.m. trains that berth at Camden to the p.m. trains that start there, neither does this method yield 8car or 12car - there seem to be variations in observations on 8 v. 12.

a.m.

2B14 07:39 Bletchley Euston 08:34
5C14 08:42 Euston CamdenCS 08:49

2B34 07:53 Bletchley Euston 08:49
5C24 08:58 Euston CamdenCS 09:05

2B06 06:34 Bletchley Euston 07:40
2J50 08:11 Euston WatfordJunction 08:39
2J10 08:56 WatfordJunction Euston 09:23
5C10 09:31 Euston CamdenCS 09:38

5T04 06:11 Bletchley TRN 06:32
2T04 07:00 TRN Euston 07:46
2T13 08:31 Euston TRN 09:18
2T14 09:25 TRN Euston 10:12
5C20 10:52 Euston CamdenCS 10:59

p.m.

5J45 15:37 CamdenCS Euston 15:44
2J45 16:07 Euston WatfordJunction 16:30
2J80 16:44 WatfordJunction Euston 17:08
2J47 17:38 Euston WatfordJunction 18:01
2J65 18:11 WatfordJunction Euston 18:30
2B65 18:38 Euston Bletchley 19:36

5N73 16:06 CamdenCS Euston 16:13
2N73 16:30 Euston Northampton 17:47
5B73 17:51 Northampton Bletchley 18:19

5J91 16:31 CamdenCS Euston 16:38
2J91 17:09 Euston WatfordJunction 17:32
2A90 17:43 WatfordJunction Euston 18:05
2N69 18:24 Euston Northampton 19:54
5N69 19:58 Northampton EMUD 20:23

5N75 17:05 CamdenCS Euston 17:14
2N75 17:23 Euston Northampton 18:45
5B75 18:49 Northampton Bletchley 19:17
 

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Can anyone confirm if the above is still correct as of current please?
 

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Can anyone confirm if the above is still correct as of current please?
It was on Monday 05th July 2021.

When I rode them Euston to Watford Junction and captured the final Northampton and Bletchley moves at harrow and Wealdstone whilst also getting 350127 and 350113 for final time ex London Midlands livery.

However my good sources and friends have found the workings to be the same but it should be noted they can be anything from 4 8 or 12 cars depending on the day and depending on 319 available on the day.

Note this post is for the pm/ evening workings only - I am unsure myself on the am ones
 
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Class 319's are being pretty much stood down from Monday, LNR timetable changes and stock utilisation will see 350's replace 319's on most of the above mentioned circuits.

However the 2B34 service (0753 Bletchley-Euston) and the 5J91/2J91 circuit are withdrawn in their entirety from the revised timetable.
 

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Thats a shame, I'm glad I managed to catch all four of the weekday peak diagrams before they went.
 

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Class 319's are being pretty much stood down from Monday, LNR timetable changes and stock utilisation will see 350's replace 319's on most of the above mentioned circuits.

However the 2B34 service (0753 Bletchley-Euston) and the 5J91/2J91 circuit are withdrawn in their entirety from the revised timetable.
Oh no! :(

I better get on one before they go completely then!

Do you know what diagrams they will remain on for the time being by any chance?

Thanks.
 

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Ok,
Had a look through the diagrams and it seems that 2 x 8 car sets remain.

Circuit 1
5B06 0626 Bletchley C/S to Bletchley
2B06 0634 Bletchley to Euston
2J50 0735 Euston to Watford Junction
2J10 0856 Watford Junction to Euston
5C10 0931 Euston to Camden C/S
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5N75 1647 Camden to Euston
2N75 1723 Euston to Northampton
5B75 1849 Northampton to Bletchley C/S
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Circuit 2
5B14 0731 Bletchley C/S to Bletchley
2B14 0739 Bletchley to Euston
5C14 0851 Euston to Camden C/S
Forms
5N73 1606 Camden C/S to Euston
2N73 1629 Euston to Northampton
5B73 1751 Northampton to Bletchley C/S
 

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Ok,
Had a look through the diagrams and it seems that 2 x 8 car sets remain.

Circuit 1
5B06 0626 Bletchley C/S to Bletchley
2B06 0634 Bletchley to Euston
2J50 0735 Euston to Watford Junction
2J10 0856 Watford Junction to Euston
5C10 0931 Euston to Camden C/S
Forms
5N75 1647 Camden to Euston
2N75 1723 Euston to Northampton
5B75 1849 Northampton to Bletchley C/S
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Circuit 2
5B14 0731 Bletchley C/S to Bletchley
2B14 0739 Bletchley to Euston
5C14 0851 Euston to Camden C/S
Forms
5N73 1606 Camden C/S to Euston
2N73 1629 Euston to Northampton
5B73 1751 Northampton to Bletchley C/S
Thanks very much @Silverlinky! :D

Also, what prompted LNWR to suddenly drop the use of 319s, as I thought the current timetable ran until December?
 

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Thanks very much @Silverlinky! :D

Also, what prompted LNWR to suddenly drop the use of 319s, as I thought the current timetable ran until December?
Track and Trace!! High numbers of isolations.

Core traction is 350's, everyone signs them! Far fewer drivers sign 319's....so it was difficult to cover the jobs. 2 busy circuits have gone from 319 to 350.

Bletchley-Bedford and Watford St Albans services on Saturdays have also been withdrawn.

Also noticed this evening that Southern's Clapham-Milton Keynes service has been pulled completely from Monday too for the same (pinging) reason.
 

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Track and Trace!! High numbers of isolations.
Oh gosh, hadn't thought of that!
Core traction is 350's, everyone signs them! Far fewer drivers sign 319's....so it was difficult to cover the jobs. 2 busy circuits have gone from 319 to 350.

Bletchley-Bedford and Watford St Albans services on Saturdays have also been withdrawn.

Also noticed this evening that Southern's Clapham-Milton Keynes service has been pulled completely from Monday too for the same (pinging) reason.
I see.

Thanks for that info. :)
 

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How long have these got left with LNWR?
I'd say less than 6 months is a fair assumption.

(Having spoken to various people in recent months, the latest date I've heard is at the Dec 21 timetable change)

Although, anything can happen in this day and age, so they could be around longer than 6 months, but it's always better to assume less, then it's a pleasant surprise if they do hang around longer! ;)
 

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I'd say less than 6 months is a fair assumption.

(Having spoken to various people in recent months, the latest date I've heard is at the Dec 21 timetable change)

Although, anything can happen in this day and age, so they could be around longer than 6 months, but it's always better to assume less, then it's a pleasant surprise if they do hang around longer! ;)
Will they get a proper sendoff?
 

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Will they get a proper sendoff?
I'm not entirely sure one is warranted - they have just been a temporary fleet to deal with increasing demand prior to March 2020 - they aren't synonymous with the Euston route. I dont think there was a 'proper send off' for the London Midland 321s that had actually worked the route for over 25 years.

They aren't the last 319s in service in any case.
 

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The 319's were meant to go off lease in November, but then timetables and diagrams came out which saw them with the company until mid December.

Going to be dependant on what happens with passenger numbers before December, as the timetable could be recast in accordance with the RRG statement....fewer trains, less duplication. As per the post above, LNR acquired them to cope with increasing passenger numbers......not really needed now! Overall passenger journeys are at 39% of average pre-covid numbers.

For a company which saw most of its revenue earned through commuter traffic, that part of the business has been very slow to return whereas weekend off peak travel has rebounded very well.
 

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I'm not entirely sure one is warranted - they have just been a temporary fleet to deal with increasing demand prior to March 2020 - they aren't synonymous with the Euston route. I dont think there was a 'proper send off' for the London Midland 321s that had actually worked the route for over 25 years.

They aren't the last 319s in service in any case.
Agree with this. Maybe Northern will facilitate one? Who knows.
 

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319s were good trains in the 20th century, but their time has now past. Ok for say the St Albans Abbey branch, but the mainline. I think not.
 

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