319's used for LNWR.

[Dallen]

Frequently requested diagrams

Thanks. As has been said they don’t all seem to match up with the current timetable

 

[DarloRich]

It kinda does in some respects. You wonder what branding means to some companies and how important it is. Regardless of cost youd think that a private company would want their own branding/colour scheme on a unit as soon as possible..but it seems nowadays to be less and less important to companies. Therefore why dont we just go back to basic livery for all or sectorisation as in the 90s so that when trains are moved around from TOC to TOC, minimum livery alterations are needed.

I vote for the return of blue grey loool

As i said: I don't care if one train is pink, one white and one black as long as I get a seat home.

Posters here seem to think that the moment a train is transferred it should be withdrawn from service and repainted. That simply isnt cost effective or realistic or popular with the punters. Much better to do the work when the train is next in the workshop so it is only out of service once. Also with he 319's supposed to be short term on LM I doubt the company can be bothered spending money on something they are giving away soon!

Once again, speaking personally, if money is to be spent I would rather it was spent on the insides and making them more modern than nice uniform paintwork. But then I am only a regular commuter user so what would i know?

Cheers had a look but a couple don't match up turn up and view only need one for haulage seems it was out Friday

i don't think those services shown in the frequently requested thread are current.

You say this, but have there ever been enough 350s?

When the 319s arrived, they displaced 7 4 car class 321 units, which were cascaded to ScotRail. The fleet has only grown since, to provide increased cover.

There has also been a timetable change impacting on 350 use meaning the 319's have to be used more often to release 350's for longer distance services.

I wonder if it'd be useful to have these lounge seating for the WCML services to Northampton?

it would not be useful in the slightest UNLESS a decent bar car is included in the formation

 

[LA50041]

Cheers had a look but a couple don't match up turn up and view only need one for haulage seems it was out Friday

Apologies, I should have checked first.
I haven’t got access to CWN’s but this is what is booked for 319’s today

2K08 MKC 0648 - EUS 0755
2B10 BLY 0713 - EUS 0805
2B14 BLY 0739 - EUS 0832
2B24 BLY 0753 - EUS 0848
2T12 TRI 0901 - EUS 0943
2T44 1657 TRI - EUS 1741
2T50 1758 TRI - EUS 1841
2T52 1825 TRI - EUS 1910
2T54 1900 TRI - EUS 1942

2T11 0807 EUS - TRI 0852
2T43 1604 EUS - TRI 1647
2T49 1711 EUS - TRI 1750
2T51 1734 EUS - TRI 1815
2N51 1753 EUS - NMP 1905
2T53 1811 EUS - TRI 1851
2K09 1854 EUS - MKC 1952
2K13 1930 EUS - MKC 2026
2N25 1954 EUS - NMP 2106

 

[Phil Scott]

I went to Euston a few weeks ago - the 1711, 1734 and 1811 were all formed of 12-cars (i.e. 3 x 319s). The 1753 was cancelled when I went, but I imagine that would have been 12-car too.

 

[D.K.TAYLOR]

Apologies, I should have checked first.
I haven’t got access to CWN’s but this is what is booked for 319’s today

2K08 MKC 0648 - EUS 0755
2B10 BLY 0713 - EUS 0805
2B14 BLY 0739 - EUS 0832
2B24 BLY 0753 - EUS 0848
2T12 TRI 0901 - EUS 0943
2T44 1657 TRI - EUS 1741
2T50 1758 TRI - EUS 1841
2T52 1825 TRI - EUS 1910
2T54 1900 TRI - EUS 1942

2T11 0807 EUS - TRI 0852
2T43 1604 EUS - TRI 1647
2T49 1711 EUS - TRI 1750
2T51 1734 EUS - TRI 1815
2N51 1753 EUS - NMP 1905
2T53 1811 EUS - TRI 1851
2K09 1854 EUS - MKC 1952
2K13 1930 EUS - MKC 2026
2N25 1954 EUS - NMP 2106

Many thanks will be in London in a couple of weeks will report back

 

[Bletchleyite]

I went to Euston a few weeks ago - the 1711, 1734 and 1811 were all formed of 12-cars (i.e. 3 x 319s). The 1753 was cancelled when I went, but I imagine that would have been 12-car too.

Except the set for Snorbens and a spare or two they are all running as 12-car sets at all times now.

 

[LUYMun]

A new subclass of Class 720s ordered specifically for LNWR would seem better for me than newer Class 730s.

 

[Bletchleyite]

A new subclass of Class 710s ordered specifically for LNWR would seem better for me than newer Class 720s.

Why do you think that? LNR is a medium-distance commuter and long-distance budget regional express operation. LO is a metro/S-bahn. Where's the similarity?

 

[LUYMun]

Why do you think that? LNR is a medium-distance commuter and long-distance budget regional express operation. LO is a metro/S-bahn. Where's the similarity?

I didn't specifically say the current Class 710 designs, I mean by a new subclass: this subclass would have a different seating layout, speed and probably capacity.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I didn't specifically say the current Class 710 designs, I mean by a new subclass: this subclass would have a different seating layout, speed and probably capacity.

That would be, er, a Class 720.

 

[LUYMun]

That would be, er, a Class 720.

Oh. Well that is by what I meant anyway.

 

[Dallen]

Thanks all for the replies

 

[LA50041]

Apologies, I should have checked first.
I haven’t got access to CWN’s but this is what is booked for 319’s today

2K08 MKC 0648 - EUS 0755
2B10 BLY 0713 - EUS 0805
2B14 BLY 0739 - EUS 0832
2B24 BLY 0753 - EUS 0848
2T12 TRI 0901 - EUS 0943
2T44 1657 TRI - EUS 1741
2T50 1758 TRI - EUS 1841
2T52 1825 TRI - EUS 1910
2T54 1900 TRI - EUS 1942

2T11 0807 EUS - TRI 0852
2T43 1604 EUS - TRI 1647
2T49 1711 EUS - TRI 1750
2T51 1734 EUS - TRI 1815
2N51 1753 EUS - NMP 1905
2T53 1811 EUS - TRI 1851
2K09 1854 EUS - MKC 1952
2K13 1930 EUS - MKC 2026
2N25 1954 EUS - NMP 2106

All the same trains scheduled to be 319 operated again today so would look to be the workings

 

[superalbs]

are they in a bad way then? I have not been on a 319 since there thameslink days.

Yep, they're in a terrible state. Here's a few pictures of one with a lot of knackered armrests and tables I sighted earlier this year.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Tons of legroom, though. Probably the most comfortable EMU interior.

 

[EE Andy b1]

Let's hope all them top windows are open today!

 

[Ladder23]

Tons of legroom, though. Probably the most comfortable EMU interior.

I have to agree

 

[LUYMun]

At least LNWR has retained the FCC/Thameslink moquette.

 

[MatthewRead]

Yep, they're in a terrible state. Here's a few pictures of one with a lot of knackered armrests and tables I sighted earlier this year.
View attachment 66106
View attachment 66107

They are in good condition.

 

[LUYMun]

They are in good condition.

How do you think that is in "good condition"? The first photo shows some of the armchairs being pulled all the way back, or even missing. There's also a missing mini-table on one of the seat.

 

[MatthewRead]

How do you think that is in "good condition"? The first photo shows some of the armchairs being pulled all the way back, or even missing. There's also a missing mini-table on one of the seat.

Compared to the material used on 377, 387 units which are newer seats but are in terrible condition always stained and a lot dustier.

 

[LUYMun]

Compared to the material used on 377, 387 units which are newer seats but are in terrible condition always stained and a lot dustier.

Probably because 377/387s are far more used than 319s, which they run infrequently on the Abbey branch line and WCML services.

 

[Flinn Reed]

Will LNR's 319 diagrams be the same after December's timetable change?

 

[AM9]

Tons of legroom, though. Probably the most comfortable EMU interior.

Especially the Abbey flyer which usually gets 319216 or 319219, giving St Albans the class of train it deserves.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Especially the Abbey flyer which usually gets 319216 or 319219, giving St Albans the class of train it deserves.

Surely all the Snorbanians would be crammed into the First Class section? That's the only way they would travel?



(Really Snorbens should get the one they've got that's all Standard and remove the 1st from the timetable)

 

[AM9]

Surely all the Snorbanians would be crammed into the First Class section? That's the only way they would travel?



(Really Snorbens should get the one they've got that's all Standard and remove the 1st from the timetable)

The standard class Chapman seating is as good as 1st class on the 700s, so we can suffer it for 16 minutes at a time. I have used the 1st class which is usually at the Watford end so generally better for connecting to the next train. Despite a significant proportion of the passengers being regulars, the 1st class seats are usuallly unoccupied, - except by staff.

 

[BucksBones]

This reply by the LNR Twitter team to an enquiry about cold 319s made me laugh the other day.


Hi Claire, sorry for any discomfort. A recent investigation carried out by our maintenance team has shown the cause to be degradation of the wiring (naturally given how old they are), which is why it's colder than it should be. Rewiring is a complex process and requires removal of the seats/flooring and wouldn't be ideal given our already pressed capacity. We're working closely with our suppliers, Siemens, for a less intrusive solution.

An unusually honest assessment of their rolling stock!

Do Siemens maintain the 319s? They certainly didn't supply them!

I wonder what "less intrusive" solutions there are...... beyond doing nothing and ignoring complaints.

 

[DarloRich]

Do Siemens maintain the 319s? They certainly didn't supply them!

Yes. At Northampton

I wonder what "less intrusive" solutions there are...... beyond doing nothing and ignoring complaints.

Something that doesnt require taking the train out of service for any length of time. LNWR are short of trains and we don't need anymore out of service. Perhaps the answer is to wear a coat. I ma northern. I don't notice southern cold.

 

[BucksBones]

Yes. At Northampton



Something that doesnt require taking the train out of service for any length of time. LNWR are short of trains and we don't need anymore out of service. Perhaps the answer is to wear a coat. I ma northern. I don't notice southern cold.

Yes I quite agree.

I don't think much of LNR but the 319s are a classic example of not being able to do right for doing wrong. People on the "Let's-Have-a-Moan-About-LNR" Facebook group (or whatever it's called) are constantly complaining about what they call the "1970s trains", little realising what the alternative would be, ie nothing. It seems to be a common misconception that LNR have sold loads of new trains and replaced them with old ones to save money.

I think that if I were them, I'd do nothing to the trains but plaster them with notices apologising for the state of them and stating clearly that the 319s are just a stopgap until the Aventras arrive.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes I quite agree. I think that if I were them, doing nothing and ignoring the complaints would be exactly what I would be doing.

Or take some 365s (they're spare now, right?)

Or delay the 350 refurb programme to allow them to be fixed one by one?

Or, if the heating is working but just a bit slow (as I think it is, as I've not experienced a freezing one in the evening) leave it on overnight?

Or, along similar lines, plug in a couple of fan heaters overnight so at least the fabric of the train isn't cold?

There are always options. But it's not a TOC that I see as being interested in finding them.