323 at Doncaster?

[365 Networker]

Difference is very slight. I think there is an element of confirmation bias at play here.

You can definitely hear the whistle though on 323222 which can't be heard on 219.

 

[Liam L]

You can hear what I'm talking about in this video:-

Go to 32:39 for the non overhauled 323 and 33:23 for the overhauled unit.
You should be able to hear the whistle and smoother motors on 323222

I can't notice any difference in the video aswell to be honest. I travel on these sets a few times a week, I haven't noticed difference between a overhaul set and non-overhauled set apart from the smoother ride

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Please Northern, keep them away from the Leeds/Doncaster services.

No, bring them home to Leeds!

 

[365 Networker]

I can't notice any difference in the video aswell to be honest. I travel on these sets a few times a week, I haven't noticed difference between a overhaul set and non-overhauled set apart from the smoother ride

Maybe it's just me then!

 

[typetwos]

Maybe it's just me then!

57310 taking 323211 for a ride on 5Q23 11:22 SOHO LMD to DONWKSWAB 01/10/21

 

[3973EXL]

STP 15/10

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1053 Doncaster Works Wagn Shops to Soho L.M.D. Caped - loco ran light from/to Derby.

STP 20/10

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1053 Doncaster Works Wagn Shops to Soho L.M.D.

 

[typetwos]

57310 taking 323211 for a ride on 5Q23 11:22 SOHO LMD to DONWKSWAB 01/10/21

57312 with 323211 on 5Q65 10:53 DONWKSWAB to SOHO LMD 20/10/21

 

[Liam L]

Not Doncaster related however related to C4 program on the 323s

323243 will be going to Longsight tomorrow for its C4

Realtime Trains - 517W 1039 Soho L.M.D. to Longsight Car. M.D.

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[warwickshire]

Will Doncaster be doing any more 323 work.
Or is it now because 9 have gone. As already mentioned and meant to be.
But it looks like the x2 option for two more isn't happening as the original contract expires December end 2021.
Unless one has been renewed next year 2022.

 

[jonesy3001]

Will Doncaster be doing any more 323 work.
Or is it now because 9 have gone. As already mentioned and meant to be.
But it looks like the x2 option for two more isn't happening as the original contract expires December end 2021.
Unless one has been renewed next year 2022.

Remainder of the WMT 323s will be done at longsight, probably costing money on the drags to Doncaster.

 

[prod_pep]

I expect the 9 units overhauled at Doncaster will stay the longest with WMT and be the 9 not destined for Northern.

 

[Liam L]

I expect the 9 units overhauled at Doncaster will stay the longest with WMT and be the 9 not destined for Northern.

But it's the same work as what will be done at Longsight so how do you work that one out?

 

[prod_pep]

But it's the same work as what will be done at Longsight so how do you work that one out?

The change of venue suggests this is part of a different contract.

 

[43096]

But it's the same work as what will be done at Longsight so how do you work that one out?

Maybe because the units transferring to Northern are now leased to Northern and sub-leased back to WMT, so it's quite possibly Northern's responsibility to arrange the C4 overhauls. Alstom likely have an existing contract with Northern to do C4s on 323223-239, so they have the work for the extra sets as well.

 

[jonesy3001]

So which units got done at doncaster?

 

[Liam L]

So which units got done at doncaster?

201
204
211
214
215
216
221
222
240

 

[43096]

201
204
211
214
215
216
221
222
240

Of those, only 211 is one of the sets going to Northern.

I think all the WMR 323s are still leased to WMT, but not 100%

The sets transferring have been leased to Northern since the end of August and sub-leased back, which is why I wrote what I did.

 

[jonesy3001]

Of those, only 211 is one of the sets going to Northern.

The sets transferring have been leased to Northern since the end of August and sub-leased back, which is why I wrote what I did.

So which ones are staying with WMT and will be going with 211 to northern?

 

[prod_pep]

The sets transferring have been leased to Northern since the end of August and sub-leased back, which is why I wrote what I did.

Thought as much. Many thanks for the info.

Bit of a shame pioneer 201 isn't going to Northern but there we are.

 

[Liam L]

Of those, only 211 is one of the sets going to Northern.

The sets transferring have been leased to Northern since the end of August and sub-leased back, which is why I wrote what I did.

Ah right ok, Thanks

 

[43096]

So which ones are staying with WMT and will be going with 211 to northern?

323202/203/205-213/217-219/241-243 transfer to Northern, 323201/204/214-216/220-222/240 have no lease beyond WMT.

 

[jonesy3001]

323202/203/205-213/217-219/241-243 transfer to Northern, 323201/204/214-216/220-222/240 have no lease beyond WMT.

Wonder if the remaining 323s will transfer after the lostock jct to Wigan north western line is electrified.

 

[43096]

Wonder if the remaining 323s will transfer after the lostock jct to Wigan north western line is electrified.

Now you're just being sensible!!!

I'm sure I read somewhere that that scheme requires around 9 units? Far too logical...

 

[jonesy3001]

Now you're just being sensible!!!

I'm sure I read somewhere that that scheme requires around 9 units? Far too logical...

Knew I'd get the answer somewhere, instead of rumours and knitpicking