37087 37510 Finale

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Incase anybody hasn't heard or seen, 37087 and 37510 to be hauled dead in the consist of 6K73 Sellafield-Crewe on monday, then onwards to BH for stripping.

37510 will donate its PU and 37087 will donate parts.


All credit to 087 for Soldering on till now!


Cheers.
 
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Aye Ladydeltic, is a shame. But look on the brightside, its donating parts to a worthy cause so other members of the class can still beast up and down the mainline, its not like its just going to get cut.

It just wish all of the Veg would stop hyping about it LOL


Ben.
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It's a shame, to be honest I'm both sad and livid at the same time given that I was knocking around Crewe earlier in the day, was tempted to go to WGN to shoot the flasks but was too knacked so didn't bother. There really did seem to be a lack of Gen about this until they were on the way, I only found out about it from this thread around 10 minutes before they were due to pass Wigan :(

I believe they are to move to BH today?

Phil 8-)
 

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It being "your favourite" really is an incredibly stupid reason to want it preserved, though.

There are quite a silly number of 37s preserved already, and as far as the majority of people are concerned they may as well all be identical.

While I'm here, I'd also like to point out that the whole "life would be so boring" excuse is an incredibly annoying and irrelevant way of trying to justify irrational thinking. When someone uses it, you know that they have no counterarguments and have therefore suggested something stupid. You're not helping yourself.
 

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I'd like to see 47709 preserved myself, simply because it's my favourite - as this was my first proper model locomotive. Is that stupid?

There are numerous (an in my opinion not enough) Class 47s preserved already but I would put 709 back in the Intercity Scotrail blue livery and rename it "The Lord Provost" as this livery is currently not being worn by anything - so would that make my case for preservation less stupid?

It's all down to opinion, the sad fact is that these two class 37s have had to be stripped and eventually scrapped so that they can keep a larger number in mainline service. A slight point that I need to make is that should 087 be saved from the scrapman it would need parts from other locomotives to return to service itself, and therefore would require others to sacrifice themselves.

Phil 8-)
 

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There are numerous (an in my opinion not enough) Class 47s preserved already

How on earth is thirty not enough of one class of locomotive!? Seriously I do not understand the desire of some to see literally dozens of the same class preserved when there is probably not even space for more to be preserved let alone the funding they draw in that could be diverted to preserving other far less represented classes.
 

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...funding they draw in that could be diverted to preserving other far less represented classes.

Like what though? 37s/47s are pretty much the last class of diesel (so probably at all!) likely to preserved in any numbers IMO. What is left - 56s, 60s and then even more modern things? A heavy air-braked only loco is going to be a much bigger ask to home and get work for in preservation.

I think any "diluting" of preservation is far more within than between classes - as 37s and 47s are popular so be it - although I'd personally rather see some other stuff currently stored operational :lol:
 

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Can understand why there are plenty of 37s and 47s on heritage railways, they each have a large number of followers, spares are available, these is a good knowledge on how to maintain them and they can operate with Mk1 stock.

Think where problems occur is that some preservationists look through rose tinted colours and decide to purchase a particular loco for sentimental reasons rather than taking a more pragmatic view. Selecting a loco just because it was number 001, carried a special livery or hauled a certain train rather than one in better condition just brings problems down the track.

Taking the case of 47709 as an example, when it does come up for sale all the expensive bits will be missing, so you'll end up having to purchase another in better condition to get the parts. Better off just purchasing the 2nd and letting 709 go.
 

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although I'd personally rather see some other stuff currently stored operational

Yes that was I was trying to get at though I used incredibly poor language to do so :oops: My point was by spending all this money on 37s/47s there is then far less money left around for trying to get other classes operational or keeping them operational.
 

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Taking the case of 47709 as an example, when it does come up for sale all the expensive bits will be missing, so you'll end up having to purchase another in better condition to get the parts. Better off just purchasing the 2nd and letting 709 go.

That was kind of my point David, I personally want to preserve that loco (for the reasons that I stated) but it may not be the best idea overall and could require something else sacrificing itself for parts. This would also apply to the idea of saving 37087...

As for 709 it's kinda sad really as it was so close to overhaul and DRS put the programme on hold. Maybe it will grace the rails again soon though :)

I'd love to see some 56s preserved and would be thrilled to see a 60 in preservation though from a heritage point of view where would they fit in? Not to mention that a 60 still has a lot of life left (despite EWS' attempts at destroying them) so would be quite costly to acquire.

Modern traction has just as much case for preservation as anything else on the rails, it's just a question of timing. A 66 has no place in preservation right now but in 40 years I guess it would be acceptable for the odd few (since they are the modern day equivalent of the Class 47).

I should also point out that just because something is preserved doesn't mean that it is safe, the East Lancashire Railway had to say farewell to two Class 31s this year as the metal fairies got to them, some other preserved locomotives over the years have also had to be scrapped due to funding issues or the owner passing away and not finding a new home for it. In this case it could be prudent to have "too many" as they will at least ensure that the number of locomotives running in preservation is still enough (unlike so many classes where they are now hard to see).

It could be worth pointing out the case of 56003 which entered preservation and led a happy life, because of it's excellent condition it is now back earning a living on the mainline railways as 56312. If this loco had not been preserved perhaps it would have been cut up instead and looking at the bigger picture perhaps DCR would have decided not to go for 56s but choose to acquire a fleet of other locos instead. A lot of ifs and buts however it's just a point.

Phil 8-)
 

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I'm sure in time that some 56s will make it into preservation, assuming FOCs stop buying them back. Likewise 60s eventually when they come up for disposal, although their axle load and complexity relative to other diesels will probably seen them operate less.

The 66s are very much the 21st century version of the 47. I'm sure heritage railways in 50 years time will welcome them with open arms as they will be the first locos the rail enthusiast of 2060 remembers seeing on the mainline.
 
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