Lewis Acott
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In standard practice is it 380s or 380/1s designated to the Ayr to Glasgow Central line.
In standard practice is it 380s or 380/1s designated to the Ayr to Glasgow Central line.
Either/or, but the stoppers seem to be more frequently 4-car and semi-fasts 3-car.
Whether that's deliberate or pure coincidence I've no idea.
In the majority a fast train down to Ayr generally returns as an all stopper and vice versa. However It’s not concrete like any other diagramming however.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G89233/2019/05/13/advanced
1K21 fast becomes 2K80 all stops
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G85578/2019/05/13/advanced
2K71 all stops becomes 1K30 all stops
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G89231/2019/05/13/advanced
1K17 fast becomes 2K76 all stops
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G85592/2019/05/13/advanced
2K67 in as all stops and back all stops - just to show it’s not concrete.
They are also interworked with Other Ayrshire and Inverclyde services.
Seen everything from 3 to 6 cars on every Ayshire Coast route.
Never seen a 7 either?
1K01 0600 Glasgow Central - Ayr, 1K03 0630 Glasgow Central - Ayr, 2K60 Ayr - Glasgow Central, 1K11 0830 Ayr - Glasgow Central, 2K97 1716 Glasgow Central - Ayr and 1K25 1825 Ayr - Glasgow Central are all 7 cars today.Never seen a 7 either?
They must have run in such a formation but i cant recall ever seeing one. It is the line to my mums house so while i use it on and off i am not a regular user.
1K01 0600 Glasgow Central - Ayr, 1K03 0630 Glasgow Central - Ayr, 2K60 Ayr - Glasgow Central, 1K11 0830 Ayr - Glasgow Central, 2K97 1716 Glasgow Central - Ayr and 1K25 1825 Ayr - Glasgow Central are all 7 cars today.
Back when there were plenty of 380s available, I even saw a 8 car going to Ayr on one occasion, on a diagram which was usually 7 car - presumably a 4 car unit subbing for a 3 car one in the formation.
I didn't realise they could run 8-car. I thought 7 was the maximum platforms lengths on the Ayrshire/Inverclyde lines could handle.
I believe the 380s have Selective Door Opening (SDO).
I am going by this as I have heard the automated announcements onboard mentioning that "the doors in the rear coach will not open at the next station" or something like that.
380s were built with SDO specifically so they could run on the Ayr line without needing expensive platform extension work.
The coaches are available to passengers (so not ‘locked out’) but the doors don’t open.
Wonder if any 385s will run on Ayr lines ? In the future
I think we'll be stuck with the 380's for a long time and the 385's will almost definetly not operatePossibly, though I'm not sure any drivers sign Ayr and 385s.
I think we'll be stuck with the 380's for a long time and the 385's will almost definetly not operate
I think 385s on Ayrshire is certainly plausible. (We’ve had 314s stand in before). Never say never.
I agree that's it's perfectly plausible at some point in the future but it's not happening anytime soon, put it that way
Given the whole situation I highly doubt a full timetable will be restored within the next few months. Service levels are at the bare minimum
380s will more than likely still monopolise Ayrshire for the time being. While nothing is ever perfect- they are a very close to perfect fit for these routes.
The only major sticking point is no Ayr drivers sign for 385s, but that's not a major problem a quick conversion course for Ayr drivers from 380 to 385 would not take too long- not even a week per driver.
Curiously Ayr based ticket examiners know them due to Ayr TEs working Gourock, Newton, Neilston and Cathcart services.