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According to VTWC journey check, the 12:52 Holyhead to London Euston 16:39 is today "formed of 4 coaches instead of 5". Is a 4 car VTWC Voyager lying about somewhere, or is one of the carriages simply locked out of use on a 5 car Voyager?
 
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According to VTWC journey check, the 12:52 Holyhead to London Euston 16:39 is today "formed of 4 coaches instead of 5". Is a 4 car VTWC Voyager lying about somewhere, or is one of the carriages simply locked out of use on a 5 car Voyager?

I would assume the latter, all VTWC's were reformed to 5 car. Unless they're doing something like hiring in a pair of ATW 158s for the Holyhead to Crewe bit.
 

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all VTWC's were reformed to 5 car.

When did this happen? I recall there being a 4 car 221 a couple of years ago running on Glasgow to Birmingham shuttles? I take it the reformation explains the 2 car Voyager redundant at Crewe?
 

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When did this happen?

A few years ago.

I recall there being a 4 car 221 a couple of years ago running on Glasgow to Birmingham shuttles?

Yes, they did have some before.

I take it the reformation explains the 2 car Voyager redundant at Crewe?

Indeed it does. I believe it's used for staff training, though it can't be used in service as it has no air compressors.
 

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When did this happen? I recall there being a 4 car 221 a couple of years ago running on Glasgow to Birmingham shuttles? I take it the reformation explains the 2 car Voyager redundant at Crewe?

I believe so; there are two driving cars left over with the rest having been transplanted elsewhere.
 

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When did this happen? I recall there being a 4 car 221 a couple of years ago running on Glasgow to Birmingham shuttles? I take it the reformation explains the 2 car Voyager redundant at Crewe?
In late 2010 I believe, when 221144 was split and one each of the two centre cars added to Virgin WCs' other two 4-car sets, 221142 and 143.

The two redundant driving cars from 221144 are not at Crewe, they have been at Central Rivers for a few years now, acting as nearly constant companions to the resident Harry Needle class 08.
 
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It's allocated as being 221143 between Holyhead and Chester, with 221102 joining her at Chester through to London Euston.
 

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It's nothing very exciting, just looked on tyrell and there is a door fault with doors 1 and 3 of coach D in 221143 so coach d is walk through only I.e no passengers to be carried in it.
 

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It's nothing very exciting, just looked on tyrell and there is a door fault with doors 1 and 3 of coach D in 221143 so coach d is walk through only I.e no passengers to be carried in it.

How is that policed? Just by the TM whenever he walks through it?
 

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Sounds about right. They tape up the outer seats if an outer window skin is broken to prevent people sitting in the affected seats. For the coach being loou, There should ideally be someone used to patrol it too, to prevent people ignoring it and trying to sit down. Though this is dependant on staff.
 

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Sounds about right. They tape up the outer seats if an outer window skin is broken to prevent people sitting in the affected seats. For the coach being loou, There should ideally be someone used to patrol it too, to prevent people ignoring it and trying to sit down. Though this is dependant on staff.
I was on a pendo a few years ago where coach B (the coach I was in) was unable to carry passengers. Immediately after departure (around 45 late) the TM came into the carriage and informed everyone they had to move, and we could move into First if we wished ( train not very well loaded, we would have all been able to be seated in Standard elsewhere I am sure.

We were also told over the PA that service on the train would not be up to the usual standard as TM has to stay in Coach B to ensure no one sat in there. Also, at stations the onboard shop had to close so the staff member manning the shop could stay in coach B while the TM did the doors.

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I was on a pendo a few years ago where coach B (the coach I was in) was unable to carry passengers. Immediately after departure (around 45 late) the TM came into the carriage and informed everyone they had to move, and we could move into First if we wished ( train not very well loaded, we would have all been able to be seated in Standard elsewhere I am sure.

We were also told over the PA that service on the train would not be up to the usual standard as TM has to stay in Coach B to ensure no one sat in there. Also, at stations the onboard shop had to close so the staff member manning the shop could stay in coach B while the TM did the doors.

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That is a very strict (and correct!) interpretation of the rules. Did you ever establish what the defect was?
 

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That is a very strict (and correct!) interpretation of the rules. Did you ever establish what the defect was?
Both the platform side doors didn't want to close and lock at Euston IIRC. I know at least one was locked out as I remember seeing dispatch messing with it and it had a sticker on it as I walked past it to first class.

I also remember a very apologetic announcement on Crewe approach along the lines of 'Passengers travelling to North Wales, I'm sorry-I tried but ATW wouldn't hold the [last] train.'
 
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