TheSlash
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SWT are reducing 458 diagrams, converting them to 450 diagrams
But while they were rising to that level, SWT had already ordered enough Desiros to not only get rid of slammers, but 458's aswellAlexS said:Their reliability has quadrupled in a year, making them one of the most reliable units on the Southern railway. Not bad at all.
yorkie said:How long before we get someone say "Stop new train bashing, the 458s will be good eventually, give them another 10 years. I don't mind being on a broken down 458, better than being on an on-time slammer any day"
The 458 should never have been invented, and hopefully I'll never travel on one again!
Jamie C. Steel said:What are you reasons for those comments Yorkie? Each time I've been on a 458 (numbers twice) they have been comfy, quiet and they have worked perfectly well.
shame , i will make sure you travel on one again and see if it better than an old "rustbucket" and a new German Import productyorkie said:How long before we get someone say "Stop new train bashing, the 458s will be good eventually, give them another 10 years. I don't mind being on a broken down 458, better than being on an on-time slammer any day"
The 458 should never have been invented, and hopefully I'll never travel on one again!
I certainly hope the Wessex units stay, but Junipers aren't in the same league. They're not suitable for longer-distance journeys.1288gaje said:wessexs and junipers will stay and defeat everything
444 are just copycats of 442tubechallenger said:I've heard that they may be nicking more traction equipment off other slammers for the Wessex trains (I hope they don't give us the 444s! )
No, they are just new long distance trains :roll: As for you comments Yorkie, I bet if it was a Juniper or have to walk the route you would go via Juniper :roll:1288gaje said:444 are just copycats of 442tubechallenger said:I've heard that they may be nicking more traction equipment off other slammers for the Wessex trains (I hope they don't give us the 444s! )
and i think that they are 442 replacements
heart-of-wessex said:sorry dont agree Julian, IMO 442s look and ride quality and sound are completely different to 444s....
I don't understand that comment.Coxster said:I bet if it was a Juniper or have to walk the route you would go via Juniper :roll:
Coxster said:okay, you say about you hope to never travel on one again but I bet you would if it meant walking.
yorkie said:What is needed is a standard reliable and proven design, with standard couplings, fuel-efficient, etc.