4veps on suburban services during south west trains era - diagrams

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Mike bello

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I used to see dozen off slammers on the suburban side during the early 2000s can I please have the diagrams
 
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I used to see dozen off slammers on the suburban side during the early 2000s can I please have the diagrams

A lot of these were random substitutions as an alternative to cancelling something when a 455 failed and so would not have been diagrammed as such, I'm afraid.
 

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Yet on Saturdays they would put crummy 455's on the Reading services instead of slammers !
 

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A lot of these were random substitutions as an alternative to cancelling something when a 455 failed and so would not have been diagrammed as such, I'm afraid.
That also sometimes used to happen in BR days, and you even occasionally used to get CIGs in place of SUBs, EPBs, 508s or 455s.

It seemed to happen a lot in the VEPs' and CIGs' last year or two of service, though, especially on the Windsor & Eton Riverside trains.
 

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I remember once catching a pair of 4VEPs to Epsom from Waterloo during the late 1990s in place of the usual 455 pair. That was definitely a stock subsitution.
 

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There was some booked VEP working on Waterloo - Guildford via Epsom services in the early 2000's I believe.
 

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I believe that at one time, the Southern Electric Group produced a booklet of unusual Southern Region workings. I'm not sure how long they carried on putting it in to printed form, though. Their website does have a 'news and features archive' section which may be worth a look.
 

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A number of things on the Windsor side are being conflated here:

455s replaced Slam door trains on the Reading line in the evenings and weekends in the late 1990s because of a the risk of vandalism and anti-social behaviour on the trains, particularly at the western end where evening loadings were minimal. This had nothing to do with slam door trains then running on 'inner' services as the 455s were otherwise spare at these times.

A number of timetable changes were made in 2003, one of these was to remove the Staines to Weybridge shuttle and replace it with through running from the Hounslow line. 8-455 formations could not be used on the this line because of short platforms so, in order to provide peak capacity, it was necessary to use VEPs on stopping services via Hounslow. It wasn't great for timekeeping.

During the introduction of 450s, VEP formations were booked on certain Windsor services. The diagrams on the Windsor line were self-contained whereas there was interworking of Weybridge and Hounslow loop trains.

As others have noted, it has been common from time to time for outer suburban units to substitute for 455s without this being booked.

I don't think there are diagrams still available - there are certainly no relevant ones here by which time there weren't booked slam door workings on the Windsor or Suburban sides.

South West Trains​

Slam Door Unit Diagrams - First Half 2005​

I cannot vouch for the completeness or accuaracy of these. Saturdays now included.

Mondays to Fridays​

Diagram FR801​


5L10 04+40 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L10 04:54 Basingstoke Waterloo
2T13 06:42 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T34 09:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B35 12:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B52 14:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T53 17:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P70 19:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P73 22:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P77 00+20 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD

Diagram FR802​


5L02 05+20 Barton Mill CSD Woking
5A03 05+57 Woking Aldershot
2N03 06:38 Aldershot Guildford
2N16 07:01 Guildford Aldershot
5N10 07+25 Aldershot Ascot
2N11 07:53 Ascot Guildford
2N24 09:01 Guildford Ascot
2N21 10:23 Ascot Guildford
2N34 11:31 Guildford Ascot
2N31 12:53 Ascot Guildford
2N44 14:01 Guildford Ascot
2N41 15:23 Ascot Guildford
2N54 16:31 Guildford Ascot
5N55 17+52 Ascot Aldershot
2N51 18:38 Aldershot Guildford
2N64 19:01 Guildford Ascot
2N61 20:23 Ascot Guildford
2N74 21:31 Guildford Aldershot
5N67 21+55 Aldershot Guildford
5N67 22+18 Guildford Aldershot
2N67 22:38 Aldershot Guildford
2N80 23:01 Guildford Ascot
2N77 00:27 Ascot Aldershot
5N77 01+09 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR803​


5W05 05+35 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2W05 05:40 Basingstoke Weymouth
2W30 08:25 Weymouth Brockenhurst
2W19 10:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W42 11:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
2W31 13:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W54 14:59 Wareham Southampton Central
2W47 16:56 Southampton Central Weymouth
2W84 22:10 Weymouth Eastleigh
2T75 00:32 Eastleigh Portsmouth Harbour
5T75 01+25 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD

Diagram FR804​


5L18 06+42 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L18 06:54 Basingstoke Waterloo
1T17 08:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2E28 10:33 Portsmouth Harbour Southampton Central
2E29 11:42 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea
2E40 13:36 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
2E41 14:42 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea
2E52 16:56 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
2B51 17:56 Southampton Central Bournemouth
5B78 20+43 Bournemouth Southampton Central
1B78 21:30 Southampton Central Waterloo
2L77 23:12 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L77 00+36 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR805​


5L18 06+42 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L18 06:54 Basingstoke Waterloo
1T17 08:09 Waterloo Eastleigh
5T33 09+40 Eastleigh Fareham
2T34 10:06 Fareham Basingstoke
1Y33 11:24 Basingstoke Brighton
1Y34 13:57 Brighton Basingstoke
5B91 16+16 Basingstoke Winchester
2B91 16:38 Winchester Southampton Central
2E53 17:37 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea
2E64 19:36 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
2E65 20:42 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea
2E76 22:36 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
5E77 23+53 Southampton Central Fratton CSD

Diagram FR806​


5L20 07+07 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L20 07:24 Basingstoke Waterloo
1B19 08:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B36 10:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T37 13:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T58 15:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L95 18:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L95 19+41 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR807​


5L20 07+07 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L20 07:24 Basingstoke Waterloo
1B19 08:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B36 10:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T37 13:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T58 15:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L95 18:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L95 19+41 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR808​


5L20 07+07 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L20 07:24 Basingstoke Waterloo
1B19 08:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B36 10:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T37 13:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T58 15:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L95 18:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L95 19+41 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR809​


5L22 07+37 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L22 07:52 Basingstoke Waterloo
1T21 09:10 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T42 11:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B43 14:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B60 16:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T61 19:10 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P82 22:19 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo

Diagram FR810​


5L22 07+37 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L22 07:52 Basingstoke Waterloo
1T21 09:10 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T42 11:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B43 14:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B60 16:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T61 19:10 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P82 22:19 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo

Diagram FR811​


5W01 05+50 Bournemouth T&RSMD; Bournemouth
2W01 06:15 Bournemouth Weymouth
2W26 07:25 Weymouth Brockenhurst
2W15 09:22 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W27 10:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
2W27 12:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W50 13:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
2W39 15:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W62 16:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
5B56 18+20 Brockenhurst Southampton Central
2E57 18:35 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea
2E68 20:36 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
2E69 21:42 Southampton Central Portsmouth & Southsea

Diagram FR812​


5B25 07+20 Bournemouth T&RSMD; Poole
1B26 07:55 Poole Waterloo
1T29 11:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5T29 13+33 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD
5P52 14+53 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P52 15:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P53 17:15 Waterloo Fratton
5P53 19+18 Fratton Fratton CSD

Diagram FR813​


5B25 07+20 Bournemouth T&RSMD; Poole
1B26 07:55 Poole Waterloo
1T29 11:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5T29 13+33 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD
5P52 14+53 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P52 15:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P53 17:15 Waterloo Fratton
5P53 19+18 Fratton Fratton CSD

Diagram FR814​


5B25 07+20 Bournemouth T&RSMD; Poole
1B26 07:55 Poole Waterloo
1T29 11:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5T29 13+33 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD
5P52 14+53 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P52 15:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P53 17:15 Waterloo Fratton
5P53 19+18 Fratton Fratton CSD

Diagram FR815​


5N06 05+30 Farnham CSD Ascot
2N05 06:23 Ascot Guildford
2N18 07:31 Guildford Ascot
2N15 08:53 Ascot Guildford
2N28 10:01 Guildford Ascot
2N25 11:23 Ascot Guildford
2N38 12:31 Guildford Ascot
2N35 13:53 Ascot Guildford
2N48 15:01 Guildford Ascot
2N45 16:23 Ascot Guildford
2N58 17:31 Guildford Ascot
5N59 18+52 Ascot Aldershot
2N55 19:38 Aldershot Guildford
2N68 20:01 Guildford Ascot
2N65 21:23 Ascot Guildford
2N78 22:31 Guildford Aldershot
5N79 22+59 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR816​


5P97 05+37 Farnham CSD Woking
5P97 06+14 Woking Haslemere
2P18 07:11 Haslemere Waterloo
1P19 08:31 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P34 10:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P35 12:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P54 15:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P55 17:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P05 19+24 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR817​


5P97 05+37 Farnham CSD Woking
5P97 06+14 Woking Haslemere
2P18 07:11 Haslemere Waterloo
1P19 08:31 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P34 10:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P35 12:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P54 15:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P55 17:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P05 19+24 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR818​


5P97 05+37 Farnham CSD Woking
5P97 06+14 Woking Haslemere
2P18 07:11 Haslemere Waterloo
1P19 08:31 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P36 11:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P37 13:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P48 14:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P49 16:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T66 17:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
5Y36 20+25 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD

Diagram FR819​


5A88 06+31 Farnham CSD Woking
2F88 07:11 Woking Waterloo
5Y07 08+07 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5F91 16+35 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
2F91 17:00 Waterloo Guildford
5G96 18+02 Guildford Waterloo
2F97 19:02 Waterloo Woking
5F97 19+50 Woking Guildford CSD

Diagram FR820​


5A88 06+31 Farnham CSD Woking
2F88 07:11 Woking Waterloo
5Y07 08+07 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5F91 16+35 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
2F91 17:00 Waterloo Guildford
5G96 18+02 Guildford Waterloo
2F97 19:02 Waterloo Woking
5F97 19+50 Woking Guildford CSD

Diagram FR821​


5A88 06+31 Farnham CSD Woking
2F88 07:11 Woking Waterloo
5Y07 08+07 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5N93 16+48 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
2N93 17:05 Waterloo Aldershot
5N93 18+35 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR822​


5N12 07+32 Farnham CSD Ascot
2N13 08:23 Ascot Guildford
2N26 09:31 Guildford Ascot
2N23 10:53 Ascot Guildford
2N36 12:01 Guildford Ascot
2N33 13:23 Ascot Guildford
2N46 14:31 Guildford Ascot
2N43 15:53 Ascot Guildford
2N56 17:01 Guildford Ascot
2N53 18:23 Ascot Guildford
2N66 19:31 Guildford Ascot
2N63 20:53 Ascot Guildford
2N76 22:01 Guildford Ascot
2N73 23:23 Ascot Aldershot
5N83 00+05 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR823​


5T20 06+10 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
5T20 06+28 Portsmouth Harbour Cosham
1T20 06:43 Cosham Waterloo
5Y15 08+44 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T55 17+17 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T55 17:39 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P74 20:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2S77 23:22 Waterloo Weybridge
5S78 00+39 Weybridge Wimbledon Park CSD

Diagram FR824​


5T20 06+10 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
5T20 06+28 Portsmouth Harbour Cosham
1T20 06:43 Cosham Waterloo
5Y15 08+44 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T55 17+17 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T55 17:39 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P74 20:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2S77 23:22 Waterloo Weybridge
5S78 00+39 Weybridge Wimbledon Park CSD

Diagram FR825​


5T20 06+10 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
5T20 06+28 Portsmouth Harbour Cosham
1T20 06:43 Cosham Waterloo
5Y15 08+44 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T55 17+17 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T55 17:39 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5T55 20+00 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD

Diagram FR826​


2P90 05:50 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P17 08:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P32 10:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P33 12:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P44 13:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P45 15:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P60 16:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P61 19:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P61 21+07 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR827​


2P90 05:50 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P17 08:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P32 10:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P33 12:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P44 13:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P45 15:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P60 16:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P61 19:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P61 21+07 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR828​


2P90 05:50 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P17 08:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P32 10:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P33 12:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P44 13:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P45 15:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P60 16:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P61 19:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P61 21+07 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR829​


5P24 07+40 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P24 08:13 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P25 10:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P36 11:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P37 13:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T54 14:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L91 17:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L91 18+38 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR830​


5P24 07+40 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P24 08:13 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P25 10:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P36 11:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P37 13:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T54 14:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L91 17:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L91 18+38 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR831​


5P24 07+40 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
1P24 08:13 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P25 10:15 Waterloo Haslemere
2P36 11:39 Haslemere Waterloo
1P37 13:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T54 14:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L91 17:23 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L91 18+38 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR832​


5L10 04+40 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L10 04:54 Basingstoke Waterloo
2T13 06:42 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T34 09:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B35 12:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B52 14:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1T53 17:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P70 19:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P73 22:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P77 00+20 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD

Diagram FR833​


5N00 05+00 Guildford CSD Guildford
5N10 05+20 Guildford Aldershot
2N10 06:00 Aldershot Ascot
2N07 06:53 Ascot Guildford
2N20 08:01 Guildford Ascot
2N17 09:23 Ascot Guildford
2N30 10:31 Guildford Ascot
2N27 11:53 Ascot Guildford
2N40 13:01 Guildford Ascot
2N37 14:23 Ascot Guildford
2N50 15:31 Guildford Ascot
2N47 16:53 Ascot Guildford
2N60 18:01 Guildford Ascot
2N57 19:23 Ascot Guildford
2N70 20:31 Guildford Aldershot
5N71 20+58 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR834​


5N00 05+00 Guildford CSD Guildford
5N00 05+30 Guildford Aldershot
2N01 06:08 Aldershot Guildford
2N14 06:31 Guildford Aldershot
5N08 06+55 Aldershot Ascot
2N09 07:23 Ascot Guildford
2N22 08:31 Guildford Ascot
2N19 09:53 Ascot Guildford
2N32 11:01 Guildford Ascot
2N29 12:23 Ascot Guildford
2N42 13:31 Guildford Ascot
2N39 14:53 Ascot Guildford
2N52 16:01 Guildford Ascot
2N49 17:23 Ascot Guildford
2N62 18:31 Guildford Ascot
2N59 19:53 Ascot Guildford
2N72 21:01 Guildford Ascot
2N69 22:23 Ascot Guildford
2N82 23:31 Guildford Aldershot
5N82 23+58 Aldershot Farnham CSD

Diagram FR835​


2E12 06:23 Portsmouth & Southsea Southampton Central
2B92 07:44 Southampton Central Winchester
1Y57 08:42 Winchester Brighton
1Y58 10:57 Brighton Basingstoke
2T37 14:24 Basingstoke Fareham
5E46 15+13 Fareham Southampton Central
2W43 16:00 Southampton Central Wareham
2W66 17:59 Wareham Bournemouth
5B57 20+56 Bournemouth Bournemouth T&RSMD;

Diagram FR836​


5P92 06+29 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Hilsea
2P92 06:42 Hilsea Waterloo
5Y13 08+33 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T33 11+46 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1P35 12:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P50 14:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P51 16:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P66 18:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P67 20:45 Waterloo Portsmouth & Southsea
5P17 23+33 Portsmouth & Southsea Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR837​


5P92 06+29 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Hilsea
2P92 06:42 Hilsea Waterloo
5Y13 08+33 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T33 11+46 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1P35 12:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P50 14:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P51 16:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P66 18:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P67 20:45 Waterloo Portsmouth & Southsea
5P17 23+33 Portsmouth & Southsea Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR838​


5P92 06+29 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Hilsea
2P92 06:42 Hilsea Waterloo
5Y13 08+33 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T33 11+46 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T33 12:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P54 15:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P55 17:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P05 19+24 Portsmouth Harbour Portsmouth & Southsea CSD

Diagram FR839​


5P90 06+39 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Haslemere
2P90 07:40 Haslemere Waterloo
1P21 09:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T38 10:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B39 13:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B56 15:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1B57 18:05 Waterloo Poole
5B62 20+26 Poole Bournemouth T&RSMD;

Diagram FR840​


5P90 06+39 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Haslemere
2P90 07:40 Haslemere Waterloo
1P21 09:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T38 10:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B39 13:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B56 15:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1B57 18:05 Waterloo Poole
5B62 20+26 Poole Bournemouth T&RSMD;

Diagram FR841​


5P90 06+39 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Haslemere
2P90 07:40 Haslemere Waterloo
1P21 09:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1T38 10:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1B39 13:39 Waterloo Southampton Central
1B56 15:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
1B57 18:05 Waterloo Poole
5B62 20+26 Poole Bournemouth T&RSMD;

Diagram FR842​


5T56 07+30 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Fareham
2T11 08:22 Fareham Portsmouth & Southsea
2P30 09:24 Portsmouth & Southsea Waterloo
1P31 11:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P46 13:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P47 15:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P66 18:24 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P67 20:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P84 22:35 Portsmouth Harbour Havant
5P85 22+57 Havant Fratton CSD

Diagram FR843​


5T56 07+30 Portsmouth & Southsea CSD Fareham
2T11 08:22 Fareham Portsmouth & Southsea
2P30 09:24 Portsmouth & Southsea Waterloo
1P31 11:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P46 13:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P47 15:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P66 18:24 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P67 20:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P84 22:35 Portsmouth Harbour Havant
5P85 22+57 Havant Fratton CSD

Diagram FR844​


5F03 05+20 Wimbledon Park CSD Waterloo
2F03 05:50 Waterloo Woking
1A09 07:00 Woking Alton
1A22 08:14 Alton Waterloo
5Y29 09+32 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T57 17+47 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T57 18:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2T64 20:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L79 23:48 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L79 01+10 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR845​


5F03 05+20 Wimbledon Park CSD Waterloo
2F03 05:50 Waterloo Woking
1A09 07:00 Woking Alton
1A22 08:14 Alton Waterloo
5Y29 09+32 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD
5T57 17+47 Clapham Junction CSD Waterloo
1T57 18:09 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2T64 20:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2L79 23:48 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L79 01+10 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

Diagram FR846​


2P07 05:20 Waterloo Portsmouth & Southsea
2P26 08:24 Portsmouth & Southsea Waterloo
1P27 10:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P42 12:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P43 14:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1G60 17:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P61 19:15 Waterloo Haslemere
5P61 20+37 Haslemere Farnham CSD

Diagram FR847​


2P07 05:20 Waterloo Portsmouth & Southsea
2P26 08:24 Portsmouth & Southsea Waterloo
1P27 10:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P42 12:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P43 14:45 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1G60 17:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P61 19:15 Waterloo Haslemere
5P61 20+37 Haslemere Farnham CSD

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2W13 06:12 Waterloo Wareham
2W34 09:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
2W23 11:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W46 12:59 Wareham Brockenhurst
2W35 14:16 Brockenhurst Wareham
2W58 15:59 Wareham Winchester
2B95 18:38 Winchester Southampton Central
1B78 21:30 Southampton Central Waterloo
2L77 23:12 Waterloo Basingstoke
5L77 00+36 Basingstoke Barton Mill CSD

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5L94 08+01 Barton Mill CSD Basingstoke
2L24 08:24 Basingstoke Waterloo
2L23 09:42 Waterloo Basingstoke
1Y35 12:24 Basingstoke Brighton
1Y36 14:57 Brighton Basingstoke
2B93 17:24 Basingstoke Southampton Central
1B68 18:55 Southampton Central Waterloo
5Y38 21+20 Waterloo Clapham Junction CSD

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5P22 06+27 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
2P22 06:55 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P23 09:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P38 11:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P39 13:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P56 15:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P57 18:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
1P72 20:15 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P75 22:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5P77 00+20 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD

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5P22 06+27 Fratton CSD Portsmouth Harbour
2P22 06:55 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P23 09:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P38 11:18 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P39 13:30 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2P56 15:45 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
1P57 18:00 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
2T62 19:51 Portsmouth Harbour Waterloo
2P77 23:15 Waterloo Portsmouth Harbour
5T75 01+25 Portsmouth Harbour Fratton CSD
 
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Not in SWR era, but during the 1970s (and early 1980s) VEPs worked the peak hour trains on the Guildford via Cobham services due to high number of First class season ticket holders
 

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Not in SWR era, but during the 1970s (and early 1980s) VEPs worked the peak hour trains on the Guildford via Cobham services due to high number of First class season ticket holders

Certainly did. I witnessed a ‘tired and emotional’ passenger attempting to alight from one such service whilst the train was being held at Guidford’s home signal on the Cobham line. Fortunately for him his fellow passengers caught him before he took a step into the great unknown. (IIRC our carriage was on the viaduct over the River Wey.)
 

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There would be occasional 4-VEPs or 4-CIGs on the Kingston loop service, presumably substituting for failed 455s. Younger people who had only been on 455s were baffled by the internal door handles (the sliding ones) in compartments, and by the absence of them in corridors, not knowing that one had to drop the window in the door and use the outside handle. I once travelled in a guard's van on one of these substitutions (it was very crowded), and the guard told me how much the train was delayed because of passengers' unfamiliarity with the stock. I enjoyed the opportunity to travel on something different.

I remember seeing 455s on Reading services and wondering whether they were ad hoc substitutions or whether they were rostered for some reason. I also wondered what passengers doing the whole or nearly the whole route thought of them.
 

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I remember seeing 455s on Reading services and wondering whether they were ad hoc substitutions or whether they were rostered for some reason. I also wondered what passengers doing the whole or nearly the whole route thought of them.

Now you know :)
 

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I remember seeing 455s on Reading services and wondering whether they were ad hoc substitutions or whether they were rostered for some reason. I also wondered what passengers doing the whole or nearly the whole route thought of them.

Now you know :)
This Waterloo-Reading line punter was neutral on VEP or 455. The occasional CIG substitute was welcome, but the CEPs were the preferred ones pre 458.
 

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This Waterloo-Reading line punter was neutral on VEP or 455. The occasional CIG substitute was welcome, but the CEPs were the preferred ones pre 458.
I'm not sure that is true in generality. I recall someone berating a manager at a 'meet the manager' session about 2+2 seated units appearing on peak Reading services and the resulting need to stand up into London from one of the Western stations (although I agree with you that if you got a seat CIGs or CEPs were welcome).

I can't imagine too many Reading line passengers specifically waited for the 1622 / 1926 from Waterloo which was booked for a 2+2 seated unit (with a VEP) in the early 2000s.

Before Winnersh and Earley had platform extensions for 458 operation, 455 substitutions had to be 4-car or omit these stations.
 
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This Waterloo-Reading line punter was neutral on VEP or 455. The occasional CIG substitute was welcome, but the CEPs were the preferred ones pre 458.

I always forget you had CEP's over your side ! Having grown up on the South Eastern with them, I always found them (post refurb) a bit modernist for my taste.

I only lived in Reading for about a year and never came across one on the route.
 

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I always forget you had CEP's over your side ! Having grown up on the South Eastern with them, I always found them (post refurb) a bit modernist for my taste.

I only lived in Reading for about a year and never came across one on the route.
Obviously the VEPs were by far the majority, but CIG and CEP appearances were roughly the same. In many ways it was surprising how many CEPs made it over to the South Western in SWT times; guess that was down to Connex South eastern releasing them so they were available.
 

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Obviously the VEPs were by far the majority, but CIG and CEP appearances were roughly the same. In many ways it was surprising how many CEPs made it over to the South Western in SWT times; guess that was down to Connex South eastern releasing them so they were available.

Yes, we (the SE) seemed to swap a lot for CIG's in the 90's - which suited me fine.
 

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Yes, we (the SE) seemed to swap a lot for CIG's in the 90's - which suited me fine.
Not sure the timing is quite right for it to be considered a 'swap'

NSE moved CIGs from South Central (ie 1806-1813,1839-1843,1870-3/1876-9) to South Eastern around July 1991 to release 4-CAP units to suburban use. (1701/42/48 came later from the same source in 1998 having been off lease). I think VEPs 3801-3808 were post-privatisation moves, hence the renumbering, and also came from South Central.

The move of 30 or so CEPs to the South Western division (I think 1507/12/17/19/27/31/33/34/35/37/38/39/44/47/48/50/53/55/63/65/66/68/71/72/73/78/81/612/17/97/98/99) was I think a South West Trains post-privatisation change that followed them becoming spare on the South Eastern side between 1996 and 1999.

I think that CEPs and the non-greyhound CIGs (1880-1891) on South West Trains were basically run indiscriminately with those and the greyhound CIGs (1301-1322, 1392-1399) separately diagrammed. All of them made it to Reading in the late 1990s / early 2000s however. BEPs made it onto the Waterloo to Reading line occasionally (with the buffet closed).

1392-1399 gave the best of both CIGs and CEPs of course!
 
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Not sure the timing is quite right for it to be considered a 'swap'

NSE moved CIGs from South Central (ie 1806-1813,1870-3/1876-9) to South Eastern around July 1991 to release 4-CAP units to suburban use. (1701/42/48 came later from the same source in 1998 having been off lease). I think VEPs 3801-3808 were post-privatisation moves, hence the renumbering, and also came from South Central.

The move of 30 or so CEPs to the South Western division (I think 1507/12/17/19/27/31/33/34/35/37/38/39/44/47/48/50/53/55/63/65/66/68/71/72/73/78/81/612/17/97/98/99) was I think a South West Trains post-privatisation change that followed them becoming spare on the South Eastern side between 1996 and 1999.

I think that CEPs and the non-greyhound CIGs (1880-1891) on South West Trains were basically run indiscriminately with those and the greyhound CIGs (1301-1322, 1392-1399) separately diagrammed. All of them made it to Reading in the late 1990s / early 2000s however. BEPs made it onto the Waterloo to Reading line occasionally (with the buffet closed).

1392-1399 gave the best of both CIGs and CEPs of course!

I remember how exotic it seemed when I first saw a CIG turn up in the Ashford area.
 

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Not in SWR era, but during the 1970s (and early 1980s) VEPs worked the peak hour trains on the Guildford via Cobham services due to high number of First class season ticket holders
My recollection from living in Surbiton at the time is that this was true of the off-peak services as well -- I don't remember a SUB or EPB on a Cobham line train from when I was old enough to notice until the 455s took over.

I remember seeing 455s on Reading services and wondering whether they were ad hoc substitutions or whether they were rostered for some reason. I also wondered what passengers doing the whole or nearly the whole route thought of them.
It may have depended on whether they needed the toilet or not.
 

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This thread makes me think of another thread topic I was going to start-4VEPs on the Central section. I am sure I remember in the early 2000s seeing slam door stock on SouthCentral stopping services. I may have caught one once-I can't remember, but I certainly remember as a child looking out for any slam doors on locals because it did happen, maybe about once every two years.

There was an online railway photo albu, I used to visit way back in 2006 called something like "londonse", that had lots of interesting pictures of trains from roughly 2000-2005. Anglia 170s on Hull Trains services and such. One of the pictures was a 4CIG stopping at Wandsworth Common on a local service-so it did happen.
 

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This thread makes me think of another thread topic I was going to start-4VEPs on the Central section. I am sure I remember in the early 2000s seeing slam door stock on SouthCentral stopping services. I may have caught one once-I can't remember, but I certainly remember as a child looking out for any slam doors on locals because it did happen, maybe about once every two years.

There was an online railway photo albu, I used to visit way back in 2006 called something like "londonse", that had lots of interesting pictures of trains from roughly 2000-2005. Anglia 170s on Hull Trains services and such. One of the pictures was a 4CIG stopping at Wandsworth Common on a local service-so it did happen.
There were quite a few, mostly peak time working between London Bridge/Victoria - Selhurst/East Croydon/West Croydon/Sutton/Epsom/Dorking/Horsham/Guildford, generally booked for VEP/VOP stock but the old CIG cropped up here and there. The only south central metro services that I don't ever remember seeing them on were Beckenham Junction/Epsom Downs/Caterham/Tattenham Corner and Wimbledon.
 

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Not sure the timing is quite right for it to be considered a 'swap'

NSE moved CIGs from South Central (ie 1806-1813,1839-1843,1870-3/1876-9) to South Eastern around July 1991 to release 4-CAP units to suburban use. (1701/42/48 came later from the same source in 1998 having been off lease). I think VEPs 3801-3808 were post-privatisation moves, hence the renumbering, and also came from South Central.
The 38xx series (3809-3812 were with SWT) were ex-South Central units renumbered, I think because they were Porterbrook owned and running in VEP fleets with other owners. From memory the VEP fleet was split at privatisation between all 3 ROSCOs: Angel (South Eastern), Eversholt (South Western) and Porterbrook (South Central).
 

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A lot of these were random substitutions as an alternative to cancelling something when a 455 failed and so would not have been diagrammed as such, I'm afraid.
There were definitely booked runs to Dorking. There was a pair of slam doors booked on a suburban diagram in the late 1990s. It stabled in the sidings just outside Waterloo between the peaks. I think the diagram included a run to Guildford via Bookham but I might be making that up. Runs to Chessington and Shepperton tended to be ad hoc.

The move of 30 or so CEPs to the South Western division (I think 1507/12/17/19/27/31/33/34/35/37/38/39/44/47/48/50/53/55/63/65/66/68/71/72/73/78/81/612/17/97/98/99) was I think a South West Trains post-privatisation change that followed them becoming spare on the South Eastern side between 1996 and 1999.
This list looks good to me with the addition of 1589. Some of them didn't last very long. They were pretty grotty when they first arrived on SWT but they overhauled all the ones that lasted more than a few months.
 
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There would be occasional 4-VEPs or 4-CIGs on the Kingston loop service, presumably substituting for failed 455s. Younger people who had only been on 455s were baffled by the internal door handles (the sliding ones) in compartments, and by the absence of them in corridors, not knowing that one had to drop the window in the door and use the outside handle. I once travelled in a guard's van on one of these substitutions (it was very crowded), and the guard told me how much the train was delayed because of passengers' unfamiliarity with the stock. I enjoyed the opportunity to travel on something different.
I only once got a CIG on the Kingston loop, it was during heavy snow in 1987, when presumably all diagrams were messed up. I went to Clapham Junction via Richmond. Had to wait hours for a train back again.
 

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During the snow of 1987 - and at the drivers request - he had a torrid time from Hampton Court to Surbiton on the up with a single 455 , - we arranged a set swop at Waterloo for his very late next round trip to an 8-VEP. Got a warm thumbs up from him on his return working (at Wimbledon) - not that there was much of a timetable plan that day, we just ran what we could. The VEPS did quite well in the snow and cold.
 

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Hampton Court was my local station during the 2002/2003 academic year, and I was dating a lass who lived in Morden. My usual route home from hers of an evening was to walk down to Morden, take the Northern up to Stockwell and change for the Victoria to Vauxhall where I'd catch the last down Hampton Court of the night. This service was almost always a VEP but occasionally even saw a CIG/CEP/BEP. On the odd occasion that SWT sent out a 455 it was quite the disappointment!
 

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My usual route home from hers of an evening was to walk down to Morden, take the Northern up to Stockwell and change for the Victoria to Vauxhall where I'd catch the last down Hampton Court of the night.
That's a very long way around. I would have caught a bus to Raynes Park and boarded the Hampton Court train there.
 

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That's a very long way around. I would have caught a bus to Raynes Park and boarded the Hampton Court train there.
You're right, but train > bus. I was usually on a 2-6 Travelcard so cost wasn't an issue. I did sometimes go Morden South - Wimbledon - Hampton Court though.
 
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