91119: Returns to service and in Swallow livery too!

[cjmillsnun]

The HSTs seem fine after over 40

The HSTs have had extensive corrosion work.

That said how old were the 47 bodies when they were snatched to become 57s?

 

[hexagon789]

The HSTs have had extensive corrosion work.

That said how old were the 47 bodies when they were snatched to become 57s?

Presumably about 35-40 years old

 

[hexagon789]

Rather than going off topic myself, again (! ), perhaps mods would be kind enough to split the discussion about the 158 introduction and use of 156s in the interim that's going on here into another thread so it can be discussed separately?

Cheers

 

[yorkie]

Rather than going off topic myself, again (! ), perhaps mods would be kind enough to split the discussion about the 158 introduction and use of 156s in the interim that's going on here into another thread so it can be discussed separately?

Cheers

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[D365]

So is now the time to dust off ‘ideas’ for cascading the 91s to the MML?

 

[hexagon789]

So is now the time to dust off ‘ideas’ for cascading the 91s to the MML?

Very much so!

But maybe in another thread.

 

[driver_m]

Were any other 91's damaged in the recently snowy weather?

 

[43096]

Were any other 91's damaged in the recently snowy weather?

Reported elsewhere that there's a few with traction motor damage so are running on three motors. 91122 is one of them and went to Wabtec for repair yesterday.

 

[The_Engineer]

91110 I think

Yes it was - I know as I was on board, though in the cab of the DVT (which was leading when the record was achieved)....

 

[mpthomson]

Oh interesting. So with the MoD they have a insurance company (or similar) that assesses third party claims and then write a cheque, do they do the same?

Green vehicles aren’t insured at all. If there’s an accident/incident then MOD just pay up unless it’s clearly the other parties’ fault.

 

[43367]

91119 will be repaired, but is currently at Bounds Green, donating its traction motors to 4 other locos that are all running on just 3 motors, and also swapping a bogie from 119 to another loco, due to the fact it will be out of service for some time it is surrendering some of its good parts

 

[Taunton]

Green vehicles aren’t insured at all. If there’s an accident/incident then MOD just pay up unless it’s clearly the other parties’ fault.

Normal for large fleets not to insure, they average it out and it's cheaper not to pay the premiums and to meet the occasional large cost. It's "self insurance".

Having said that, the accountants should ensure that the saved funds on insurance costs are available to meet the occasional incident. It's silly to just see it as a cost saving and not be ready to meet costs as they arise.

 

[The Crab]

Normal for large fleets not to insure, they average it out and it's cheaper not to pay the premiums and to meet the occasional large cost. It's "self insurance".

I think only Government Depts have that option.

 

[ainsworth74]

I think only Government Depts have that option.

Surely any organisation has that option (at least when it comes to their own equipment)?

 

[edwin_m]

I think only Government Depts have that option.

BR did this and was a nationalised industry not a government department.

However normally all keepers of road vehicles are required by law to have adequate insurance. I don't know if there is (or was) a general exemption for bodies that put a self-insurance scheme in place, or whether each such body had to apply specifically. As the main users of road vehicles in the rail industry, does anyone know if Network Rail self-insures?

 

[mark-h]

I think self insurance is more along the lines of having insurance with a very high excess.

The company/government will handle most claims in-house using the funds they put aside for self-insurance. If there is a very large claim then that would be met by their insurance company.

 

[Suraggu]

Freightliner diagramming seems erratic to me. One day a given working will be a pair of Class 86s the next day it seems to be a Class 66.

All depends on availability.

 

[Hadders]

I think self insurance is more along the lines of having insurance with a very high excess.

The company/government will handle most claims in-house using the funds they put aside for self-insurance. If there is a very large claim then that would be met by their insurance company.

Government excepted (I suspect) you legally have to have 3rd party insurance in place.

A former employer of mine used to self insure all their vehicles (several thousand of them). They had a 3rd party only insurance policy with an excess of £1 million to meet the legal obligation.

 

[trainmania100]

Is that the set that's been replaced with the XC 43m

 

[59CosG95]

Gen from a very reliable source (within Bounds Green) tells me that 91119 should be back around November. Traction motors are back from repair, and its bogies (swapped with 91128s) should follow too.
As the overhaul is expected to see it fit for another 2 years, expect this to be one of the last 91s to be withdrawn, if not the last.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Gen from a very reliable source (within Bounds Green) tells me that 91119 should be back around November. Traction motors are back from repair, and its bogies (swapped with 91128s) should follow too.
As the overhaul is expected to see it fit for another 2 years, expect this to be one of the last 91s to be withdrawn, if not the last.

This is good news. LNER plans to withdraw the 91s first so it would make sense for 91119 to be one of the GNWR locos.

 

[mullac30]

Any chance of it being in full LNER colours, like the 800s?

 

[Domh245]

This is good news. LNER plans to withdraw the 91s first so it would make sense for 91119 to be one of the GNWR locos.

Are they? I thought that the introduction plan for the IEPs was the 9 car bi-modes first, 5 car electrics, 5 car bi-modes, and then 9 car electrics last? That would surely mean that the 91s would be the last to go, and tallies with the lease dates in the VTEC franchise agreement of 2014 that had the HSTs off lease by the end of this year, whilst the IC225s are all off lease by 31/03/2022

 

[43096]

Are they? I thought that the introduction plan for the IEPs was the 9 car bi-modes first, 5 car electrics, 5 car bi-modes, and then 9 car electrics last? That would surely mean that the 91s would be the last to go, and tallies with the lease dates in the VTEC franchise agreement of 2014 that had the HSTs off lease by the end of this year, whilst the IC225s are all off lease by 31/03/2022

Lease on LNER HSTs is not ending this year.

 

[Domh245]

Lease on LNER HSTs is not ending this year.

I had guessed that they will still be running next year given the IEP delays, but I don't think that it detracts from the point of HSTs going first and IC225s going last?

 

[59CosG95]

It lives...https://flic.kr/p/2bmqtJQ

 

[DanNCL]

Looks like 91120 may be taking 91119's place in being withdrawn at Bounds Green, according to another forum...

 

[59CosG95]

Looks like 91120 may be taking 91119's place in being withdrawn at Bounds Green, according to another forum...

I have my doubts about that.
The same source who told me that 119 was returning said that the main reason why 119 was due to return was the demands of Eversholt, who want them in as good a condition as they were when VTEC took over.
As such, I believe 120 will be very likely to return, especially as the 800s and 801s for LNER are further delayed.

 

[43096]

I have my doubts about that.
The same source who told me that 119 was returning said that the main reason why 119 was due to return was the demands of Eversholt, who want them in as good a condition as they were when VTEC took over.
As such, I believe 120 will be very likely to return, especially as the 800s and 801s for LNER are further delayed.

You're correct that the leasing company will want them back in the appropriate condition, which depends on where they are in the maintenance cycle, but there's also the fact that LNER need the full fleet.

 

[59CosG95]

You're correct that the leasing company will want them back in the appropriate condition, which depends on where they are in the maintenance cycle, but there's also the fact that LNER need the full fleet.

Indeed they do - they can't keep cadging 90s off DB for all eternity.