A career as a signaller

TC1

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Reserve for me also, interview was slightly tougher than expected.

Can somebody confirm the obvious - X is a bot?
 
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RedMum77

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Reserve for me also, interview was slightly tougher than expected.

Can somebody confirm the obvious - X is a bot?

I don't think he is :D, I got quite a personal reply to my email back thanking him for feedback and confirming that I would like to be notified of future vacancies for fast track. A specific thing that I mentioned was replied to in a very specific way
 
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SignallerJohn

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Reserve for me also, interview was slightly tougher than expected.

Can somebody confirm the obvious - REDACTED is a bot?
If that’s a HR member I wouldn’t be posting their name on a public forum mate.

It’s another note for people to be careful what you post on public forums or socials about the company. Professionalism is very important in this line of work.
 

R22snapper

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Hello all. Unfortunately I got the dreaded email from East Mids future opportunities today. I asked for feedback and they indicated that I had Good transferable skills but could have given more detail on my own role within the situations I described, rather than just the overall situation and results. I found that very useful as I thought my examples were strong but I obviously didn't stress my own part enough.

I'm on the reserve list and got the fast track email as well so the process has been useful. I will keep going as I am still really keen and hopefully better prepared for another trip through the process.

Finally, thanks to everyone who has taken the time to provide such valuable information on this thread, Tom Quinne, LOM, Kraken and many others. It has been very helpful and much appreciated.
 

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I really don't know where I'm going wrong. I've just received application rejection number 9. I got to do the recorded video interview once, but nothing further beyond that. Will the fact I don't have a driving license be being a detriment? It's something I will rectify the very second I got the role, I just haven't the funds to get me over that line just yet. I feel like my 69 questions are relatable, but I'm going to pull it apart and write it again for the next application. All just feels so nebulous and hard to grasp, as I just don't know where I stand and what the problem is with my application compared to others.

There is no mention of do you have a current license in the 69 questions, (as far as I remember) so that shouldn't be hindering you to get to interview I assume you haven't said you don't have a license on your CV?
 

TC1

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I don't think he is :D, I got quite a personal reply to my email back thanking him for feedback and confirming that I would like to be notified of future vacancies for fast track. A specific thing that I mentioned was replied to in a very specific way

Responses are so quick and friendly, I would've never assumed it was a human being ... seriously!
 

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There is no mention of do you have a current license in the 69 questions, (as far as I remember) so that shouldn't be hindering you to get to interview I assume you haven't said you don't have a license on your CV?
It's in the pre 69 questions part, it asks the question:
Have you had a full, clean and valid UK driving licence for more than 12 months? Just wondering how important that is, if that is an automatic disqualifier before they even look at the questions submitted.

It's in the essential criteria part of the job advert that Network Rail require applicants with their own transport, so I'd imagine you not having a car/driving license would put you at a disadvantage. Bear in mind that they are relying on you to get to a signal box at all hours of the day in order to relieve the person on the previous shift. The risk is that signaller being relieved can only work beyond their shift for a certain amount of time due to health and safety, so the signal box becomes unmanned.. the trains stop running.. Network Rail pick up a huge fine. It has happened.
Good luck with your applications, there is a wealth of information in this forum regarding non-technical skills, life saving rules etc. Perseverance is key to getting your foot through the door.
It's definitely a role I want to do, and I would take whatever means necessary to get there (minicabs, public transport, a bike and my own two legs) but I do also believe I need to pick apart and rebuild that application as well. It's a long slog through those questions, for sure.
 

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"Have you had a full clean and valid UK driving licence for more than 12 months? Just wondering how important that is if that is an automatic disqualifier before they even look at the questions submitted"

I have a car, driving licence etc and had to answer that question as "No" because I have some points, i.e. it's not clean...but I think I highlighted the ability to travel to work on time on the CV. Always worth making it obvious there if you have any concerns.
There is the option of submitting a cover letter too, although I don't think that is necessary. But, it's potentially a couple of pages to sell yourself more, and/or remove concerns.
 

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I don’t think a driving license is critical, however it certainly makes life a lot easier after 12 hour shift waiting for the taxi bus or train.
 

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A cover letter is vital as highlighted by LOM way back in this thread.

Also regarding travel, many locations are isolated and not served by public transport. Your shifts might not fit in with bus or train times even if they did serve the location. What if you live an hours drive away, are you really going to pay for a taxi? Motorbike in the depths of winter - I’ve done that - never again.
 

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Did you get the permanent position, or are you one of the Fixed term? Anyway that aside the spreadsheet you have been linked to is a little bit out of date. For Workington No 2 (There's also a Workington No 3, don't ask what happened to Workington No 1!)

SundayMondayTuesdayWednesdayThursdayFridaySaturday
OffRest DayRest DayEarlyEarlyLateLate
LateLateLateRest DayRest DayEarlyEarly
EarlyEarlyEarlyLateLateRest DayRest Day

05:15 starts on earlies, 13:00 handover between shifts, 00:00 finish on lates.

There are some "random" extra rest days in a 27 week cycle to balance it down to 35 hours a week but that's the basic pattern.
This is great. Thanks for the help. Its for the permanent position but in the interview the LOM said they may move me to different boxes as and when needed. So not 100% it's going to be Workington No2 but that's what on the contract.
 
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This is great. Thanks for the help. Its for the permanent position but in the interview the LOM said they may move me to different boxes as and when needed. So not 100% it's going to be Workington No2 but that's what on the contract.

Wherever you end up (Except Workington No 3) the basic pattern is the same, so it'll give you a good idea of what you can expect.

Did you have a confirmed start date?
 

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Not to dwell too much on the disappointment of my “future opportunities“ rejection but my status has changed to “Active application” on my career portal.
Does anyone know if this is in relation to being “fast tracked” for any future positions ?
Thanks all.
 

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"Have you had a full clean and valid UK driving licence for more than 12 months? Just wondering how important that is if that is an automatic disqualifier before they even look at the questions submitted"

I have a car, driving licence etc and had to answer that question as "No" because I have some points, i.e. it's not clean...but I think I highlighted the ability to travel to work on time on the CV. Always worth making it obvious there if you have any concerns.
There is the option of submitting a cover letter too, although I don't think that is necessary. But, it's potentially a couple of pages to sell yourself more, and/or remove concerns.

I’m no CV expert but highlighting the ability of being able to get to work on time is surely a massive waste of a sentence on a document with such limited valuable space to sell yourself.
 

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A couple of pages is too much, one side only for your covering letter and your CV should be two pages max.
When you’ve got hundreds to go through you can be bothered wading through pages of information.
 

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I’m no CV expert but highlighting the ability of being able to get to work on time is surely a massive waste of a sentence on a document with such limited valuable space to sell yourself.

I'm no expert either. However, if you are using your CV to sell yourself, then ticking off what you have to offer against the essential criteria seems like a good way to go.
Transport is one of ten criteria mentioned in current adverts.
Pretty sure I also mentioned having decent hearing and eyesight, to tick off another one.
 

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Many companies are using software to narrow down applications to manageable levels - its vital that your CV addresses all the key criteria in the advert as the computer will scan it for those key words.
 

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Hey everyone, I’m considering applying for a relief role (already secured a FTC on a grade 2) which is a grade 5 GPR 24%. Does anyone know roughly what salary this equates to? Also is it worth doing a relief role? What are the pros and cons? Do you also get allowances on top? Or is it all covered in the 24%? Any advice would be really helpful! thank you :)
 
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Hey everyone, I’m considering applying for a relief role (already secured a FTC on a grade 2) which is a grade 5 GPR 24%. Does anyone know roughly what salary this equates to? Also is it worth doing a relief role? What are the pros and cons? Any advice would be really helpful! thank you :)
£47557 basic but easily earn 10k-15k extra with overtime and sundays
 

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Hey everyone, I’m considering applying for a relief role (already secured a FTC on a grade 2) which is a grade 5 GPR 24%. Does anyone know roughly what salary this equates to? Also is it worth doing a relief role? What are the pros and cons? Do you also get allowances on top? Or is it all covered in the 24%? Any advice would be really helpful! thank you :)
You'll know which days you're working and which you're not based on your roster pattern, but won't know which shifts you'll work on those days until the Thursday the week before (and these can be changed up to 48 hours before the shift).

This can be quite disruptive. However, you'll get to work in a variety of signal boxes (24% flexible premium covers a large area). Working as a resident signaller can feel like groundhog day sometimes, so the variety may be welcome. You'll also have a lot of opportunities for overtime as you'll sign a lot of boxes.

For the reasons above, GPR positions of at least 18% are reasonably sought after, at least around here. I'd be very tempted if I were you.
 
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Finally been passed fit for a position at WMSC after 2 medicals- to say I am chuffed is an understatement!

I have seen it mentioned in passing on here a couple of times, but let me reitterate- if you are diabetic, you absolutely can apply (and be appointed) to the signalling grade. However it is worth noting that you will only be passed fit to work accompanied, i.e. you can work in a multi-manned location, but not a single-manned signal box.

I speak from experience on this, I am type 1 (insulin dependent) and was offered a job at Eggington Junction SB (Near Derby) back in 2015 but was then rejected at the medical due to the need for lone-working. As I say, I have now been passed fit for the multi-manned WMSC.

To those of you who get disheartened when another rejection email arrives- never give up. It took me 5 years, several rejections, 3 interviews, 3 medicals and 1 withdrawn offer to get in.

Now the hard work begins!
 

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You'll know which days you're working and which you're not based on your roster pattern, but won't know which shifts you'll work on those days until the Thursday the week before (and these can be changed up to 48 hours before the shift).

This can be quite disruptive. However, you'll get to work in a variety of signal boxes (24% flexible premium covers a large area). Working as a resident signaller can feel like groundhog day sometimes, so the variety may be welcome. You'll also have a lot of opportunities for overtime as you'll sign a lot of boxes.

For the reasons above, GPR positions of at least 18% are reasonably sought after, at least around here. I'd be very tempted if I were you.

Amazing thank you for that! Do you think it would be too difficult as a newbie to the company knowing how all the different signal boxes work or do you think it’s doable? Thank you :)
 

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Amazing thank you for that! Do you think it would be too difficult as a newbie to the company knowing how all the different signal boxes work or do you think it’s doable? Thank you :)
Hi. Yes, it's doable. People have started 'off the street' into larger signalling locations, at higher grade. Don't be put off at the thought. At the end of the day it will be how you apply yourself, and have the self belief you are capable of doing that particular job.

Being a GPR isn't always easy, though it's kept me in the GPR role for more than 15 years. For me, the money is just a part of being a 'nomad'. It's the variety that makes it interesting.
 

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Not to dwell too much on the disappointment of my “future opportunities“ rejection but my status has changed to “Active application” on my career portal.
Does anyone know if this is in relation to being “fast tracked” for any future positions ?
Thanks all.
Mine is the same, came on here also to see if anyone could elaborate on what this means
 

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A question for the experienced Signallers on here. How was ‘future opportunities’ communicated internally? A guy on the course I’m on who is future ops has been told by his LOM that he doesn’t know what to do with him when he finishes the course, as there’s no jobs and none likely to come up!
Are there plans ahead for more roles to be released? Is that the idea?
 
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There’s always rumours flying round, but if you think your treated like a mushroom during recruitment I can assure you it doesn’t get much better on the inside.

Your mate is in employment, so he’ll be found a role somewhere even if it’s a shadow job covering a long term sick roster.
 

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