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A career as a train driver

S-Car-Go

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I've done 2 driver manager interviews.
Both mostly asked competency questions "Can you give me an example of a time when you have...". Sometimes I had to use the same example from a previous question, but use it in a different way or expand/elaborate on it.

1 company asked me about the company values, if I knew what classes of train were in its fleet, and which routes it covered.

The other TOC asked me no questions about routes, traction or values. I mentioned values and their local community partnerships in the followup questions though. This is the TOC I now drive for.
Hi, one more question, do I need to know about trains per sei to be ready for the interview?
You won't be expected to know how a train or its systems work. That's what the 4 months of classroom training is for :smile:

You will need to demonstrate that safety is your *#1 priority*, that you can work within a set of strict rules, and also to challenge errors/poor decisions by other people.
 
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This blog is by Roger French, who normally writes about buses (he was MD of Brighton & Hove buses). It's a post by an anonymous train driver on the rigours (and benefits) of the job. Forum staff - please move to a new thread if you think justified.
 
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Hi folks, I'm looking for some help and advice if possible. I'll be starting an apprenticeship as a driver soon, I'm pretty terrified about the first few months as I've heard that learning the rules is pretty intense and there's a 6h test at the end? Are there any drivers here that could give me some tips and could share some good methods they picked up to retain the insane amount of info you have to learn? Thanks in advance. :D
 

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Hi folks, I'm looking for some help and advice if possible. I'll be starting an apprenticeship as a driver soon, I'm pretty terrified about the first few months as I've heard that learning the rules is pretty intense and there's a 6h test at the end? Are there any drivers here that could give me some tips and could share some good methods they picked up to retain the insane amount of info you have to learn? Thanks in advance. :D
Don’t worry, follow the instructions given.
The job isn’t there to catch you out and you will be well prepared to pass all tests when they come.

Just don’t mess about and spend a little time each night going over what you have covered in the day.

I did a lot of drawings in my course to help me remember so I’d recommend taking coloured pens, highlighters, rulers and a decent note pad. But that’s all.
 

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This blog is by Roger French, who normally writes about buses (he was MD of Brighton & Hove buses). It's a post by an anonymous train driver on the rigours (and benefits) of the job. Forum staff - please move to a new thread if you think justified.

Didn't really see anything in benefits! Whilst it was good on the realities of the shift work and driver requirements, a lot of it reads more like a rant from a jaded driver who's been doing it for too long and has a toxic relationship with management/employer
 
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Don’t worry, follow the instructions given.
The job isn’t there to catch you out and you will be well prepared to pass all tests when they come.

Just don’t mess about and spend a little time each night going over what you have covered in the day.

I did a lot of drawings in my course to help me remember so I’d recommend taking coloured pens, highlighters, rulers and a decent note pad. But that’s all.
Thanks I have my notepad ready I will stock up on some stationary.
 

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Didn't really see anything in benefits! Whilst it was good on the realities of the shift work and driver requirements, a lot of it reads more like a rant from a jaded driver who's been doing it for too long and has a toxic relationship with management/employer
Agreed.
I see his point and agree with most of it but the job is also enjoyable at times.

I find I start to feel like him if I push the overtime and work 7+ days in a row, which I avoid now because I know it fatigues me and makes me hate the job.

However the realities of shift work, Sundays, bank hols and missing out on social life is a weekly occurrence.
 

geoffk

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However the realities of shift work, Sundays, bank hols and missing out on social life is a weekly occurrence.
But that's unavoidable if we want a 7-day service. It's the constant monitoring and micro-management of drivers that I would have difficulty coping with but I always had a desk job!
 
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As someone new to the industry, after 20+ years in policing the rail industry looks like Nirvana to me. £60k plus for shift work and being messed around a bit?
No job is perfect especially when you have done it for a prolonged period of time, but there is a lot worse out there, jobs with similar responsibility and £20k less a year. It was a no brainer to make the jump.
 

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My Beginners Guide to completing the Trainee Train Driver Application process.

The following is my account of how I recently completed the Trainee Train Driver application for West Midlands Trains. I suspect that it bares similar resemblance to that of other TOC’s and FOC’s, though I cannot confirm this having not completed any other applications.

Any opinions expressed are my own and not those of any other party, and any mention of supporting agencies/material is done so for reference. I am in no way receiving any endorsements for sponsorship or advertising.

I hope to offer this as a concise guide as I have seen questions and queries repeatedly asked across forums regarding the application process.

I hope you find this of use.


Step 1: Finding an advert.

Adverts for Trainee Train Drivers can be sparse, and when they are posted it may only be for a short time. Once a satisfactory number of applicants have been received, the issuing TOC/FOC may pull the advert before the closing date. At the time of my application (June 2020) I later found out that the post received over 6000 applicants! Clearly the job is highly sought after and competition will be fierce; getting an application in before the post disappears is the first objective!

To help find advertised posts, utilise as much support as possible.

LinkedIn, Indeed, CVLibrary, Glassdoor are all suitable for providing notifications of new positions becoming available. Sign up and use them. Forums can be a great resource so long as the posts are updated on time. Personally I joined ‘https://www.facebook.com/groups/TrainDriverRecruitment/?ref=share and https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/wmt-driver-pool-2021.205821/. Furthermore, amongst its many resources, the Career Search section within the https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/train-driver-academy/id1544659966 can provide links to the many TOC and FOC careers pages.

Step 2: Submit a good CV.

Assuming you applied in time, your CV may be the first look the TOC/FOC have of you. Make sure that you have invested sufficient time and effort in preparing your CV. Reading the advert and knowing the roles/responsibilities of the job will help you create a well structured CV that matches your abilities to their requirements. I’ll not labour on this topic as there is an endless supply of CV writing guides out there.

Step 3: Online Assessment.

A short series of SJT questions for you to complete, not to dissimilar to those completed later on in the OPC Psychometric tests. A means for the TOC/FOC to assess your suitability for the role depending on your thought process in a given situation. Not much I can offer here as your thought process is part of what makes you you! As with much of the later stages, your natural ability and characteristics are what will determine your success. Though you may be able to practise at some of the exercises and improve performance, your natural ability will be limited. All we can do is try our best.

Step 4: Shortlister Video Interview.

Notification that you’ve passed the initial sift and are now required to complete a shortlister interview. This consisted of a few questions covering topics such as the role you’ve applied for, your current employment and detail about yourself. As everyone has different circumstances, only you will know how to answer the latter two. As for the first, I would expect that you have researched the role you’ve applied for prior to applying, and therefore should be able to answer any such questions with ease. Good luck.

Step 5: OPC Assessment Stage.

Can be done in a single sitting or split over a couple of days, for me it was the latter.

Stage 1 was the pencil and paper tests completed during a half day session at a location arranged by WMT. Practice material is sent to you ahead of time with strict instructions. Straight forward enough, and a good reference to help find other suitable practice material elsewhere. During my search I reviewed https://www.theopc.co.uk/ and signed up to complete practice material for them to assess, whilst also locating a number of example tests.

The Group Bourden test is feared by many. Practice tests can be completed on the previously mentioned Train Driver Academy app, but I found a better representation at https://metodorf.com/tests/bourdon/group_bourdon.php which has been mentioned previously on the rail forums site.

TRP 1 & 2, DFFT and Tee-Occ were also completed. My personal choice was to purchase the How2Become: Train Driver Tests publication which contained a variety of example tests. Though not accurate representations of the OPC, they certainly focus on the skills required. All tests are done under exam conditions, and examples are completed under guidance from the OPC representative. The opportunity to ask questions and clarify understanding is given before each test begins, so use it!

Some of the attendees were required to resit or improve previous tests, and so departed early. Results of the test were communicated within a week of completion.

Stage 2 was the computer based tests and the Multi Modal Interview (MMI) conducted at OPC in Watford over the course of a day. Again, practice material will have been sent prior, though I also purchased the How2Become: Train Driver SJT’s. This contains a variety of SJT’s as there is more than one format in which these can be delivered.

WAFV (Grey square test), ATAVT (pictures test) and 2 Hand Coordination Test were completed in the morning, again with practice sessions being completed before the main test. All we’re done under exam conditions. Scores were then checked and verified, and anyone failing to meet the requirements was released from further testing.

The precursor to the MMI is the completion of the SJT then 6 scenario examples on paper. The responses you provide on the SJT and paper determine the questions you get in the MMI, though some applicants have been informed that they failed at the SJT!?! These are not timed exercises, so consider your responses carefully. Examples of the scenario type questions were available amongst the rail forums threads, so build a bank of examples and recount them accurately. Detail is key.

Step 6: DMI.

Essentially an extension of the MMI, this is a structured interview so each interviewee gets the same bank of questions asked by the panel of interviewers. Held face to face, so no opportunity to have notes/prompts laid out of sight during a teams/zoom call, this was at the TOC office with two Driver Managers. Dress smart and arrive on time.

I was soon put at ease by the panel, and a relaxed interview followed. My detail of the MMI scenarios, and knowledge of the TOC was tested, along with conversations about similar and relevant topics. General knowledge and understanding of the rail industry was sought through the internet and Modern Railways magazines.

To have gotten this far is an achievement in itself, and some individuals speculate that this is merely a formality and a assessment of you personality. I beg to differ. Others have made it known that they have failed at the DMI stage. Interestingly, I believe that some TOC’s/FOC’s conduct the DMI earlier, and therefore a pass is required to move on to the testing stages. Nevertheless, this may be the finish line, but you still need to cross it! Don’t relax just yet!

Step 7: The Talent Pool.

Having navigated the previous steps, confirmation that you have been successful will reach you shortly after the DMI. Any remaining admin will be raised and completed nearer to the start of a given course date. This includes completion of DBS paperwork, references and a medical examination. It is at this point that I now find myself, so can offer little in the way of information, however, much of it will be personal and differ between individuals so there would be little to gain in sharing such details.

Needless to say, I consider myself fortunate to have made it to this point. All in all, it has taken me 20 months to reach this point from the moment of submitting my initial application. Clearly COVID has had an impact on the processes involved, as did the number of applicants at the time. Some applicants have been processed far quicker, and others may now only just be starting the sifting. The rail industry is a constantly evolving entity, people retire and new recruits are sought. If you pass the tests, they are valid for 5 years, and for good reason. If you are patient and determined, you may be rewarded with a much sought after role within the rail industry. I sure hope I am!

Let me know if this is of benefit to some of you.

Best of luck.

Final update:

Medical - eyesight, colour perception, hearing, weight, height, breathalyser, ECG and urine sample. All in all it takes about an hour. Urine sample gets sent away for drug testing. Once the results get back, a report is compiled and sent to the TOC recruitment team. You won’t hear anything unless there is an issue.

Onboarding - online process following an email with personal login details. Contains a number of policy and information documents that need to be read and followed. Similarly, the DBS process is initiated and a certificate arrives in the mail once complete.

References - I provided contact details for a character reference as well as previous and current employer. The first two were chased up fairly quickly, with my current employer only being approached nearer to my notice period. Once this had been received and reviewed, a further email was sent advising that the terms and conditions of employment had been sent and needed accepting within the Onboarding portal. Once accepted I was informed that I could now hand in my notice to my current employer. A nice touch is the countdown timer letting you know how many weeks/days/hours/minutes left until your start date. All that remains is the Joining Instructions ahead of day 1 of training!
they apply for reference's before offering? that makes it tricky so your current company will know you are leaving before notice?
 

Hazwa89

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Good afternoon all,

I’m currently in the recruitment process for a Train Driver role, and I’m very excited about the opportunity. Becoming a train driver has been a long-standing goal of mine.

While I’m aware of the main benefits mentioned in the job application, I’m curious to hear if there are any unexpected perks that you or your family have experienced during your time as a driver?

Additionally, were there any challenges or downsides that you didn’t anticipate?

Thanks
Hazwa89

Good afternoon all,

I’m currently in the recruitment process for a Train Driver role, and I’m very excited about the opportunity. Becoming a train driver has been a long-standing goal of mine.

While I’m aware of the main benefits mentioned in the job application, I’m curious to hear if there are any unexpected perks that you or your family have experienced during your time as a driver?

Additionally, were there any challenges or downsides that you didn’t anticipate?

Thanks
Hazwa89
Would love to hear from current and retired Train Drivers.
 
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12LDA28C

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Good afternoon all,

I’m currently in the recruitment process for a Train Driver role, and I’m very excited about the opportunity. Becoming a train driver has been a long-standing goal of mine.

While I’m aware of the main benefits mentioned in the job application, I’m curious to hear if there are any unexpected perks that you or your family have experienced during your time as a driver?

Additionally, were there any challenges or downsides that you didn’t anticipate?

Thanks
Hazwa89


Would love to hear from current and retired Train Drivers.

Have you taken the time to scroll through the various threads posted on this subject already? This question gets asked regularly and you will probably find any questions you have answered in detail in this section of the forum.
 

Hazwa89

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Have you taken the time to scroll through the various threads posted on this subject already? This question gets asked regularly and you will probably find any questions you have answered in detail in this section of the forum.
Good evening 12LDA28c,

Thanks for commenting.

Yes, I have had a look through. Though not all 700+pages. I have also used the search function and also coming up empty handed. Perhaps I'm searching for the wrong things.

I'll keep searching.

Thanks
 

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Good evening 12LDA28c,

Thanks for commenting.

Yes, I have had a look through. Though not all 700+pages. I have also used the search function and also coming up empty handed. Perhaps I'm searching for the wrong things.

I'll keep searching.

Thanks
Hi

Dont take this the wrong way, but if train driving was a ‘long standing goal’ of yours, would you not have done extensive research into the role by now? When I started researching the role I started on all the train company websites before googling anything I thought may give me more information. At that point I stumbled upon this Forum. This opened my eyes, gave me almost endless information but it wasnt overnight. I spent so many hours reading the various threads I thought appropriate, making notes, printing off assessment info etc etc..

Most information you will need is already there, including people’s thoughts on the job and the companies who run the passenger or freight services. Some jobs pay very well but have terms and conditions that have been ‘sold’ in bargaining to give that bigger salary, and others are lower paid but have better terms. If you have a particular company you wish to work for, look out for the threads pertaining to trainee train driver jobs there, and search through it for info on that individual company to see if it’s for you or not.

Good luck
 

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Hi

Dont take this the wrong way, but if train driving was a ‘long standing goal’ of yours, would you not have done extensive research into the role by now? When I started researching the role I started on all the train company websites before googling anything I thought may give me more information. At that point I stumbled upon this Forum. This opened my eyes, gave me almost endless information but it wasnt overnight. I spent so many hours reading the various threads I thought appropriate, making notes, printing off assessment info etc etc..

Most information you will need is already there, including people’s thoughts on the job and the companies who run the passenger or freight services. Some jobs pay very well but have terms and conditions that have been ‘sold’ in bargaining to give that bigger salary, and others are lower paid but have better terms. If you have a particular company you wish to work for, look out for the threads pertaining to trainee train driver jobs there, and search through it for info on that individual company to see if it’s for you or not.

Good luck
Hi NorthernTech,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I've gained most of my knowledge from my grandad and his friends that had spent years on the railway post WW2. However, most of that was technical bits. (Though now some of it out of date)

Whilst I have had a good look through the forum, there's clearly alot more for me to get through. I've naively assumed that as I havn't come across the bits I'm looking/searching for that it may not have been asked.

Confirmation that it's all here is helpful and my search will continue.

You've helped clear up the questions I'm searching. I think I've been targeting the role for which I've found some answers. However, looking into the TOC I think will help with the rest!

Many thanks
 

Snowman84

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Hi everyone,


New to the forum here!


I'm currently a few month shy of reaching 40 and interested in following a new career path as I'm at a stage in my life where I can hopefully make it happen (Kids Growing up etc). I'm a commercial heating engineer by trade, however now manage a team of circa 60 engineers for a well known national government owned organisation.

I’m looking to change career and apply to be a Train Driver, however I understand that recruitment drives are not frequent and there is usual plenty of competition.

Has anybody made a similar move, as I’m keen to know how everything went from initial application to TOC’s and how you find the change?

I’m based up in Newcastle and have already applied for the LNER role. Do other TOC’s often recruit? Also interested in driving freight



Cheers
 

Terry844

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Hi,

I made the change a few years ago early 40s, recruitment is tough and the advice you get is to check the TOCs websites for careers every day. The reason is the jobs never stay up for long as they are inundated with applications.

Time scale does come down to how long is a piece of string! Some people are taken in within a few months and others takes several years to be offered a job from applying.
The other drawback is the talent pool, just because they say you are successful and placed in the pool doesn’t mean you will get an actual job offer at the end of the day!

However as I’m still fresh on the rails it’s the best move I made, training was intense having been out of a classroom environment for so long it took a while to get back into that type of study. But once you get in the seat it’s great.

You may also need to start budgeting now by putting money aside if you are going to take a massive hit by dropping on to the training wage.
 

martin2345uk

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In Newcastle you have Cross Country, LNER, Lumo, Northern and TPE; not sure about freight, there must be some, but you're in a very good part of the country for trainee driver vacancies!
 

SiTheTrainGuy

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Hi everyone,


New to the forum here!


I'm currently a few month shy of reaching 40 and interested in following a new career path as I'm at a stage in my life where I can hopefully make it happen (Kids Growing up etc). I'm a commercial heating engineer by trade, however now manage a team of circa 60 engineers for a well known national government owned organisation.

I’m looking to change career and apply to be a Train Driver, however I understand that recruitment drives are not frequent and there is usual plenty of competition.

Has anybody made a similar move, as I’m keen to know how everything went from initial application to TOC’s and how you find the change?

I’m based up in Newcastle and have already applied for the LNER role. Do other TOC’s often recruit? Also interested in driving freight



Cheers
I’m a similar age, 40 next year. Applied for my trainee driver job a year ago this weekend and this week started driving in service with my minder. It’s a great job if you can get it.

I’m at Northern and one of the hardest points is the salary drop for the first 12 months. At almost 40 most people will be taking a significant pay cut to get the job, especially as in most cases there are kids, mortgages etc to consider. That’s been my hardest thing to overcome.

You won’t regret it though, just sign up for job alerts and apply for every position you can! Good luck
 

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I’m a similar age, 40 next year. Applied for my trainee driver job a year ago this weekend and this week started driving in service with my minder. It’s a great job if you can get it.

I’m at Northern and one of the hardest points is the salary drop for the first 12 months. At almost 40 most people will be taking a significant pay cut to get the job, especially as in most cases there are kids, mortgages etc to consider. That’s been my hardest thing to overcome.

You won’t regret it though, just sign up for job alerts and apply for every position you can! Good luck
what was your take home for the first 12 months if you dont mind me asking?
 

Snowman84

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Thanks for the great replies everyone, certainly the drop in wage will be a struggle but hoepfully worth it long term

I'm keeping an eye out for recruitment across all TOC's so fingers crossed further opportunities arise

I’m a similar age, 40 next year. Applied for my trainee driver job a year ago this weekend and this week started driving in service with my minder. It’s a great job if you can get it.

I’m at Northern and one of the hardest points is the salary drop for the first 12 months. At almost 40 most people will be taking a significant pay cut to get the job, especially as in most cases there are kids, mortgages etc to consider. That’s been my hardest thing to overcome.

You won’t regret it though, just sign up for job alerts and apply for every position you can! Good luck
Thanks for the reply,

Hope you don't mind me asking, were you an internal candidate when applying for the role?
 
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SiTheTrainGuy

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Thanks for the great replies everyone, certainly the drop in wage will be a struggle but hoepfully worth it long term

I'm keeping an eye out for recruitment across all TOC's so fingers crossed further opportunities arise


Thanks for the reply,

Hope you don't mind me asking, were you an internal candidate when applying for the role?
I was external, it was exactly a year ago today that I applied. I was only 1 of 3 external applicants on my course (of 12), but one of those three was a guard at another toc
 
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Hi, I am soon to embark on a new role as a trainee driver, I am very excited.

I was just wondering what the deal was if your train was delayed/cancelled and you were late getting back to the depot. Is there overtime paid for such incidents or just one of those things?
 

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Hi, I am soon to embark on a new role as a trainee driver, I am very excited.

I was just wondering what the deal was if your train was delayed/cancelled and you were late getting back to the depot. Is there overtime paid for such incidents or just one of those things?

Think there is or maybe taxi home. Tbf I don't really bother as there's loads of times the DRMs allow me to book on later etc that for me it's a waste of time claiming for 20 mins delay etc when I get it back in the future anyways.
 

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Hi, I am soon to embark on a new role as a trainee driver, I am very excited.

I was just wondering what the deal was if your train was delayed/cancelled and you were late getting back to the depot. Is there overtime paid for such incidents or just one of those things?
Depends on your terms and conditions.

At one TOC we were expected to work up to 30 mins over our day as a result of disruption returning to our home depot without payment.
 

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