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Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by swt class 450, 15 Jun 2017.
Many thanks for the share!
All Colchester Drivers are learning Stadlers as they are going to be used on the Sudbury branch.
All Colchester drivers are getting Stadler training.
Of course as there's the Sudbury amongst others. I was just thinking of Tim's Peterborough link
Don't the FLIRTs have extendable steps at each door?
From a communication from Mike Kean (ex-GA director) in May 18 stated to me that there was no plan for the Stadlers to be used on the Clacton branch. 10 months is a long time in GA politics though.
Haha you never know what the future will hold regarding diagrams and routes for each depot.
I can't speak to the UK Flirt, but every other Stadler train I've seen has extendable steps at every single door. These steps are somewhat intelligent, i.e. they'll extend further on a curved platform, and less far for straight platforms (exception: some GTW's and some of the narrow-gauge trains use rotating steps that also form the lower part of the door).
I can try to get a picture next time I'm at a curved platform, that's not likely to be anytime soon however.
The training I’ve had on them confirms a retractable step at each door. It also as mentioned above varies how far it comes out by sensing the platform edge or an obstruction.
I haven't gotten out to a curved platform yet, but here are some photos of steps on various Stadler's on straight platforms:
CFL - these are at the limit because the platforms are lower than the train:
SBB - nowhere near the limit because the platforms match the train:
Indeed, this (coupled with low floor) is one of the great selling points - true equality for those of limited mobility, no need for assistance. And no more 2 foot chasms like Platform 17 at Clapham Jn.
Hell of an expense and a lot of hassle for equality.
Thank you for the video!
Other than the mock up from years ago, are there any photos of videos of the 745 interior? I can't find anything on YouTube.
Also, I can't help feeling that the introduction of the Stadtler trains looks likely to be delayed. There are only a handful of trains delivered yet we are meant to be travelling in them from May with full fleet introduction by this time next year?
They are going to have to pick up the pace significantly and quickly to make that happen.
Or alternately an appropriate expense to make the rail network that little bit more accessible.
Are we saying disabled people are too expensive to cater for, so they are not allowed to travel by train (without a lot of hassle) ?
not it isn't.
It would have been possible to meet the accessibility requirements for the IC stock for the franchise using refurbished Mark 3s. It was decided instead to invest in new stock, which, as a bonus, has near-level boarding as a feature. That the low floor and steps are throughout the train and not just at the wheelchair area is a reminder that mobility issues are not just about wheelchairs.
Equality seems to be a divisive yard-stick doesn't it?
Accessibility isn't all about disability. It's as equally applicable to people who are travelling with luggage, travelling with children or, heaven forbid, trying to travel with luggage AND children. Add people who are injured, people who are a little inebriated, people who aren't paying full attention or seniors.
Surely anything reduces the gap between the platform edge and the train, whether it be horizontal or vertical distance or both is doing everyone a long-term favour? Less chance of injuries, less change of delays.
It's really not expensive, and the money that can be saved by not having an assistance system in place is immense, not to mention the benefits to the personal freedom of those requiring it, and to others for whom the gap was an issue (elderly people, small children etc). Not to mention a reduction in PTI incidents.
TBH, I'm so strongly in favour of it that I think it should have been made mandatory for all new build stations to be a standard UK height, and all new build stock to have a floor at platform level and such steps fitted. This should have been done before the recent big orders, after which it's too late for another 30-odd years to get it right.
It's to late for that, not worth the colossal expense now. Also, the gap at least at my 7 or 8 local stations, is not all that much.
Is there another delivery tonight?
It’s much easier in the long term to have the step free access on the flirts than it is to have someone get a ramp all the time. Gives disabled customers more independence and not having them feel like a hinderance.
Which is why the suggestion is for new build platforms, not to spend millions refitting stations.
That's fine but then you end up with a tiny percentage of "accessible" stations with the rest being normal. So unless this disabled person is travelling from 1% of stations to another station in the 1% then it is totally pointless as they will be fine when they start the journey but when they come to the end they are face with 4 flights of stair. It wont work and isn't worth it.
Only one door this commuter vehicle?
It will take very time in getting on and off of the rush hour.
In the problem?
These trains are mostly for rural routes in East Anglia, not the London market, so not a huge concern. A new Stansted - Norwich train would need an appropriate dwell at Cambridge and Ely, assuming paths are found for these in the peak in the first place, but for most services they’ll be fine unless Norwich are at home, but that’s always going to be a problem.
Airport Express 745/1
These is also a 1 door.
Is impossible in Japan
Sorry, thought you were referring to the 755 in the video.
Yes the 745s have attracted comment about dwell times for the services they will operate. As you say impossible in Japan, but although the lines into Liverpool St are very busy, it’s nothing like certain parts of Japan.
morning rush hours on many lines in japan
Japan Tokyo and Osaka Rush Hour Trains