Aberystwyth to Cardiff via Derby

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krus_aragon

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Hi,

I'm going to be combining a work journey with a leisure journey next weekend. I want to go to Derby for the weekend (out 29/06, back 01/07) but will be in Aberystwyth on Friday morning, so I'd rather travel straight from Aberystwyth to Derby, then come back home to Cardiff on the return leg.

I can claim the the cost of the AYW-CDF journey as a business expense, so I could buy an AYW-CDF single (and receipt) and then excess it to an AYW-DBY single, and buy the BDY-CDF leg separately.

Alternatively, The cost of an AYW-DBY off-peak return ticket is practically the same price as the AYW-CDF single, and I won't need to present the ticket to claim, only the receipt. As I've been caught out misinformed on excesses in the past could a learned person check that I'd be correct in asking to excess the return leg only to travel DBY-CDF, and the correct price I'd be expected to pay? I will be using my Y-P railcard for all journeys.

Thanks.
 
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I'm not sure on excesses so I will leave that to someone else to explore.

If not possible to excess then it's a tough one as an advance from Aberystwyth to Cardiff can be as little as £11.20 YP - will your employer allow you to claim for an Anytime Day Single at £32.80 YP?

That would allow you to break your journey at Shrewsbury, get a return from Shrewsbury to Derby (off peak return £21.85 YP) and can break that return journey at Birmingham and use an advance to Cardiff (£15.20 YP)
 

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None of those look to me like situations where an excess would be appropriate. It's neither a change of route, over distance nor change of class. If you got an Off-Peak Return from Aberystwyth to Derby, then on the return leg you would need to buy a new ticket from the point where the routes diverge, which I think would be Birmingham.
 

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None of those look to me like situations where an excess would be appropriate. It's neither a change of route, over distance nor change of class. If you got an Off-Peak Return from Aberystwyth to Derby, then on the return leg you would need to buy a new ticket from the point where the routes diverge, which I think would be Birmingham.
Agreed.

I can claim the the cost of the AYW-CDF journey as a business expense, so I could buy an AYW-CDF single (and receipt) and then excess it to an AYW-DBY single, and buy the BDY-CDF leg separately.
Officially you cannot excess an Aberystwyth - Cardiff ticket into an Aberystwyth - Derby ticket as Cardiff is not on a permitted route between Aberystwyth and Derby.

Alternatively, The cost of an AYW-DBY off-peak return ticket is practically the same price as the AYW-CDF single, and I won't need to present the ticket to claim, only the receipt. As I've been caught out misinformed on excesses in the past could a learned person check that I'd be correct in asking to excess the return leg only to travel DBY-CDF, and the correct price I'd be expected to pay? I will be using my Y-P railcard for all journeys.
For the same reason as above, an Aberystwyth - Derby ticket cannot be excessed to a Cardiff - Derby ticket (return portion only) officially, as Aberystwyth is not on a permitted route between Derby and Cardiff.
 

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None of those look to me like situations where an excess would be appropriate. It's neither a change of route, over distance nor change of class. If you got an Off-Peak Return from Aberystwyth to Derby, then on the return leg you would need to buy a new ticket from the point where the routes diverge, which I think would be Birmingham.
Birmingham is not a permitted route on Aberystwyth-Cardiff which is why I suggested Shrewsbury.
 

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A Swansea - Derby SVR is valid via Shrewsbury and is probably the cheapest ticket for travel from Shrewsbury - Derby - Cardiff (with most flows priced by XC cheap splits are hard to find)
 

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London midland wouldn't sell me Aberystwyth-Cardiff via Birmingham
That's because there is no "via Birmingham" fare. They will sell an Aberystwyth-Cardiff via Any Permitted route.

(It is then down to the Routeing Guide to determine if Birmingham is on a permitted route)

They will, however, sell you separate tickets to/from Birmingham if you ask them!
 

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That's because there is no "via Birmingham" fare. They will sell an Aberystwyth-Cardiff via Any Permitted route.

(It is then down to the Routeing Guide to determine if Birmingham is on a permitted route)

They will, however, sell you separate tickets to/from Birmingham if you ask them!
What I mean is if I put in Via Birmingham on WebTIS it tells me no fares are available rather than showing the Any Permitted fare.
 

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What I mean is if I put in Via Birmingham on WebTIS it tells me no fares are available rather than showing the Any Permitted fare.
WebTIS will only show fares where a single fare is valid for the journey entered - there is no such fare valid for AYW-CDF via BHM. NRE will show that the journey requires two tickets.

One of NRE's suggestions is Anytime Day Singles Aberystwysth-Gloucester (30.05 YP) and Gloucester-Cardiff (£11.20 YP). This would then require an Off Peak Day Return Birmingham-Derby at £9.75. The fares seem reasonable to me for this journey, but might be hard to explain for expenses purposes (I'd just claim the AYW-GCR ticket).
 

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One of NRE's suggestions is Anytime Day Singles Aberystwysth-Gloucester (30.05 YP) and Gloucester-Cardiff (£11.20 YP). This would then require an Off Peak Day Return Birmingham-Derby at £9.75.
This combination won't work for the OP, who wants to travel Aberystwyth - Derby on 29 June and Derby - Cardiff on 1 July.
 
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