Actress tips water over man sat in seat for not giving it up

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Good or bad manners aside, the guy had no obligation to give up his seat.

Pouring water over someone is a simple form of common assault (Section 39 CJA 1988).

Good old Miriam had better keep her temper in check, as next time she might get nicked if her target decides to make a complaint of assault....
 
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Good old Miriam had better keep her temper in check, as next time she might get nicked if her target decides to make a complaint of assault....
Doubtful. I am sure the police/CPS would not want to proceed with it.

Now if a woman of a similar age to the one here decides to claim she'd been sexually assaulted at a London terminus then I'm sure the police and CPS would have no hesitation.

Without looking into this more at the moment, I assume she's got loads of people supporting her and saying 'good for you' on the basis that she's a) famous and b) old (ergo she can't be a bad person, as old people are always victims*).

* Law of social media and modern day society.
 

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Whilst she didn't have a right to demand the seat good manner suggest it should have been offered.
Sorry - don't agree.

It's first come first serve on a train and you don't know how long the young man in question was going to be on the train for.

Disgraceful behaviour by Margolyes. If she's that bothered about securing a seat perhaps she should book ahead and reserve one.
 

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Doubtful. I am sure the police/CPS would not want to proceed with it.
Not so. Under the National Crime Recording Standard, if someone makes an allegation of crime, forces are duty bound to record it, unless it can be proven that the allegation is simply untrue or the complainant is mistaken.

If the complainant in this case had been insistent on making a formal written statement alleging assault, then the police would have to investigate and formally interview (but not necessarily arrest) the suspect. The case might subsequently be discontinued if there is a lack of corroboration or supporting evidence (ie. his word against hers, no witnesses or CCTV) or withdrawal of victim cooperation.

Common assault is summary only offence (police charge) so CPS would not be involved, even if the suspect denied the offence.

But....having said all that, if I was the officer turning up I would be doing my best to resolve it amicably between the two parties with an apology and a hand shake. Formal proceedings are costly and a lot of effort for such a minor incident !
 

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It's first come first serve on a train and you don't know how long the young man in question was going to be on the train for.
The incident actually related to the seats on the station platform where the man have arrived first and apparently was asked by Margolyes to move to which the man responded by telling her there were some free seats further down the platform.
 
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Well there's someone who's gone down in my estimation. What a thoroughly unpleasant woman.
If you'd seen her on any chat shows you'd have known how unpleasant she has always been judging by the stories she likes to tell.

Sorry - don't agree.

It's first come first serve on a train and you don't know how long the young man in question was going to be on the train for.

Disgraceful behaviour by Margolyes. If she's that bothered about securing a seat perhaps she should book ahead and reserve one.
Didn't realise you could reserve seats on the platform.
 

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Regarding the DM, arrogant it may be, but on the few occasions when I have read anything there I have found the journalism to be shoddy at best.
Does that go for all the campaigning that they did for the Stephen Lawrence family? Was that shoddy journalism at best? Yes the Daily Mail is a Tory Party supporting paper but that doesn't make it a bad newspaper.
 

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Sorry - don't agree.

It's first come first serve on a train and you don't know how long the young man in question was going to be on the train for.

Disgraceful behaviour by Margolyes. If she's that bothered about securing a seat perhaps she should book ahead and reserve one.
They weren't on a train.
They were on a platform!
 

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I have never read the HP, so have no view there. Regarding the DM, arrogant it may be, but on the few occasions when I have read anything there I have found the journalism to be shoddy at best.
I think you probably mean 'news values'.
 

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Not so. Under the National Crime Recording Standard, if someone makes an allegation of crime, forces are duty bound to record it, unless it can be proven that the allegation is simply untrue or the complainant is mistaken.
Although in the quote from the OP it says a woman called the police who did nothing.

I don't understand the womans reaction. Why couldn't she use one of the other seats on the platform that were free? If she couldn't bear to walk that far (how far can it be?) how does she think she is going to be able to walk from the platform to the train door, board the train, walk down the aisle to a free seat, then at her destination, walk off the train and walk from the platform to the station exit? :roll:

The way it has been reported it does come across as someone with an extreme entitlement attitude.
 

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Doubtful. I am sure the police/CPS would not want to proceed with it.

Now if a woman of a similar age to the one here decides to claim she'd been sexually assaulted at a London terminus then I'm sure the police and CPS would have no hesitation.

Without looking into this more at the moment, I assume she's got loads of people supporting her and saying 'good for you' on the basis that she's a) famous and b) old (ergo she can't be a bad person, as old people are always victims*).

* Law of social media and modern day society.
A man in Edinburgh was prosecute for pouring a bottle of Coke over Nigel Farage in the not too distant past.
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The way it has been reported it does come across as someone with an extreme entitlement attitude.
If you've been watching The Real Marigold Hotel recently, you'd come to the same conclusion...
 

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Although in the quote from the OP it says a woman called the police who did nothing.
We've yet to hear from the victim (and possibly never will), but he may not have wanted to press charges, perhaps out of fear of being exposed as "the young upstart who wouldn't let a sweet, arthritic old lady sit down", perhaps because he just got on with his life. Perhaps he'd moved on by the time the polis got here. Perhaps he'd caught his train. The Police cannot do anything if the victim doesn't wish to prosecute.
 

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Doubtful. I am sure the police/CPS would not want to proceed with it.
You can pretty much guarantee that considering the incident took place in Edinburgh...

It pays not to startle someone though. Many normally fairly law-abiding people may act with a surprising vigour when attacked.
 

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I mean, pouring water over a guy? That's not on.

Obviously, the man should have given up his seat for the older person. But, this is some sort of overreaction.
I'm not convinced it is obvious (and I am someone who will happily give up my seat for someone who needs it a lot more than I do). If there was an empty seat a few meters away why not just go over and sit there instead? If there weren't any other seats nearby and she was suffering I would say yes he should have given up the seat.
 

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Not so. Under the National Crime Recording Standard, if someone makes an allegation of crime, forces are duty bound to record it, unless it can be proven that the allegation is simply untrue or the complainant is mistaken.

If the complainant in this case had been insistent on making a formal written statement alleging assault, then the police would have to investigate and formally interview (but not necessarily arrest) the suspect. The case might subsequently be discontinued if there is a lack of corroboration or supporting evidence (ie. his word against hers, no witnesses or CCTV) or withdrawal of victim cooperation.

Common assault is summary only offence (police charge) so CPS would not be involved, even if the suspect denied the offence.

But....having said all that, if I was the officer turning up I would be doing my best to resolve it amicably between the two parties with an apology and a hand shake. Formal proceedings are costly and a lot of effort for such a minor incident !
The CPS would never be involved, this incident took place in Scotland
 

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As a lifelong Blackadder fan, I would sit on the roof if Miriam Margolyes told me to.

As long as she could slap me and shout 'wicked child!' first.
Oh yeah, I forgot that was her:



"Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more catholics!". :lol:
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The CPS would never be involved, this incident took place in Scotland
Yeah, it'd be the PF who decides to proceed with prosecution, but the sentiment is the same.
 

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Although in the quote from the OP it says a woman called the police who did nothing.
Quite possibly they "did nothing" but a bystanders interpretation of events is often different if they aren't involved in the conversations at the scene. It may have been the case that the guy (wet and probably embarrassed) told them he wasn't interested in making a complaint and wanted to leave it at that.

I forgot it happened in Scotland, so yes no CPS up there. Lucky them!
 
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Another thing might be that the bystander called the police who said they could do nothing because it was the BTP they needed!

Personally, unless it was clear she was in discomfort I would not have moved.
 

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Not at all - it might be the bystander did not know there was a difference between police and BTP
Oh! I thought you were having a subtle joke about 'real' police ;)

Usually if you call 999 and give your location the call should get routed through to BTP control, but sometimes the calls get incorrectly routed to the local force. Or if they cannot resource the call with officers they pass it to the locals. Thats what happens in England anyhow.
 

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Oh! I thought you were having a subtle joke about 'real' police ;)

Usually if you call 999 and give your location the call should get routed through to BTP control, but sometimes the calls get incorrectly routed to the local force. Or if they cannot resource the call with officers they pass it to the locals. Thats what happens in England anyhow.
On both occasions I've called the police at a train station, local plod has turned up to deal with it.
 

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I assume you weren't brought up to offer seats to the elderly, infirm, pregnant or disabled then. Perhaps people are just more selfish ..........
Yes I was brought up that way, so shut your cake hole. I was also brought up to treat people as they treat me. If asked politely I will always move. Been asked saves me the embarrassment of coming across patronising. My cousin would be offended at someone assuming she is not capable and desperate for a seat.
 
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