All Arriva Trains Wales 175s taken out of service (28/02)

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But you understood yes?

Whether we like it or not, our language is evolving to be more American, and so terms are becoming interchangable - Train station / railway station - all mean the same thing.

I'd suggest the term "car" meaning "coach" is also an Americanism - 4 coaches or 4 cars? London Overground don't seem to mind.
Not the case here, but in many cases it's been UK English that has evolved away from a purer version preserved in American English, despite what a lot of people here would have you believe, e.g. American English uses the perfectly good Anglo-Saxon words 'Fall' and 'slaughterhouse,' while we've settled on the Frenchified 'Autumn' and 'abattoir.'
 
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Not the case here, but in many cases it's been UK English that has evolved away from a purer version preserved in American English, despite what a lot of people here would have you believe, e.g. American English uses the perfectly good Anglo-Saxon words 'Fall' and 'slaughterhouse,' while we've settled on the Frenchified 'Autumn' and 'abattoir.'
Can we get back to the class 175's please and leave the "English" discussion for elsewhere ?
 

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Hi,

Probably an impossible question to answer, but what are the chances of a Chester to Manchester service on ATW tomorrow morning?
 

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Probably an impossible question to answer, but what are the chances of a Chester to Manchester service on ATW tomorrow morning?
You're right. Impossible, even the TOC can't give any forecast for tomorrow yet.
No direct trains seem to have run today, not even the LHCS.
Ironically the Northern Ellesmere Port shuttles did!
Also the Northern services via Northwich are running, and Virgin via Crewe.
 

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No direct trains seem to have run today, not even the LHCS.
Ironically the Northern Ellesmere Port shuttles did!
Also the Northern services via Northwich are running, and Virgin via Crewe.

No direct trains running between Chester and Manchester by ATW is a planned timetable change due to the shortage of units and nothing to do with the weather.
There are no direct trains further than Shrewsbury from Holyhead either and the Conwy Valley line is replaced by a bus (well meant to be, snowed off today)
 
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I am travelling along the North Wales Coast on advanced tickets (and ATW only services) on Friday and returning on Saturday. Despite advising against non essential travel Arriva don't seem to be offering refunds or changing the dates to another week without an admin fee. That would certainly reduce demand.
You should goas planned then and claim delay repay if you are later than expected.
I travelled back from Fishguard Wednesday to Manchester. Had to use GWR to Bristol Parkway and XC to Piccadilly resulting in a 56 min delay. Claim gone in.
 

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No direct trains seem to have run today, not even the LHCS.
Ironically the Northern Ellesmere Port shuttles did!
Also the Northern services via Northwich are running, and Virgin via Crewe.
As things are there isn't enough snow in Cheshire to have closed railway lines but there's been strong winds all day, so if there are any closures in the area it's more likely to be due to something like a tree on the line.
 

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As things are there isn't enough snow in Cheshire to have closed railway lines but there's been strong winds all day, so if there are any closures in the area it's more likely to be due to something like a tree on the line.
Has anyone an update on the Class 175 problem. Wales and trains today are a mess.
 

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Has anyone an update on the Class 175 problem. Wales and trains today are a mess.
A mess as in everything in Wales has been cancelled apart from a few token services in the north. Meanwhile GWR are running trains on the SWML that Arriva says it can't run it's trains on because it's not safe to do so.............
 

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Mostyn AIUI was cleared quite early on.

Last I am aware the cause is inconclusive but damage to wheelsets were found after two test runs, one between Chester and Shrewsbury via Wrexham and one between Chester and Cardiff via Wrexham. Inspection is still continuing on the Marches I think.
 

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A mess as in everything in Wales has been cancelled apart from a few token services in the north. Meanwhile GWR are running trains on the SWML that Arriva says it can't run it's trains on because it's not safe to do so.............
All that tells me is Arriva take safety over profit more seriously than GWR.
 

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All that tells me is Arriva take safety over profit more seriously than GWR.
Plus 1 to that.

It'll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow though - Northern are on strike, and ATW are meant to be making their usual extra calls at Patricroft, Alderley Edge, Holmes Chapel and Sandbach - none of which have seen an ATW service pass through today.
 

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Interesting that ATW are still not running between Chester to Manchester despite having spare units at Chester.

Why run a full service in North Wales when they could run say an hourly service Chester to Holyhead (via a Llandudno shuttle) and reinstate the Chester to Manchester service (but maybe they can't be bothered because that's all in England)?
 

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Interesting that ATW are still not running between Chester to Manchester despite having spare units at Chester.

Why run a full service in North Wales when they could run say an hourly service Chester to Holyhead (via a Llandudno shuttle) and reinstate the Chester to Manchester service (but maybe they can't be bothered because that's all in England)?
There’s not a single spare unit at Chester. Every one of them you can see is out of use.
 

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There’s not a single spare unit at Chester. Every one of them you can see is out of use.
Not what I'm hearing but in any case why run a full service in North Wales (which is supplemented by VT services) and run northing from Chester to Manchester?

They've halved the service on the Wrexham to Bidston line so why not elsewhere and at least run a service on lines that currently don't have one.
 

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Not what I'm hearing but in any case why run a full service in North Wales (which is supplemented by VT services) and run northing from Chester to Manchester?

They've halved the service on the Wrexham to Bidston line so why not elsewhere and at least run a service on lines that currently don't have one.
Chester has the hourly Northern service to Manchester and an alternative journey changing at Crewe. Warrington has services to Manchester via Central station and Earlestown + Newton-le-Willows have Liverpool to Manchester services. Helsby, Frodsham and Runcorn East don't have rail alternatives but there are buses to Chester and or Runcorn stations. I am surprised that the Chester-Crewe shuttle is running in addition to Virgin Trains hourly service, the unit would have been better used running between Chester and Warrington. Llandudno to Llandudno Junction + Chester to Wrexham both have frequent bus services. Manchester to Crewe was cut because Virgin and Northern have enough capacity. Chester to Holyhead will be overcrowded after replacing a half hourly service between Llandudno Junction and Chester with an hourly 2 coach 158, people would be left on the platforms if even less capacity ran. Virgin Trains only run a limited service and on weekdays there is a huge gap in the middle of the day. ATW are making the best of a bad situation, they are 27 units down plus in the weather is horrendous.
 

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Very shoddy.

Today Northern are running a reduced service. ATW could of easily as previously done borrowed a few 150 sets to run across from manchester to chester and beyond.
 

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Very shoddy.

Today Northern are running a reduced service. ATW could of easily as previously done borrowed a few 150 sets to run across from manchester to chester and beyond.
Or maybe run some up ECS from Canton? There's not much running in South Wales at the moment.
 

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According to the ATW website the Chester to Manchester trains are cancelled due to severe weather!! I phoned to clarify and was told this is the case and they knew nothing about damaged wheel sets. What a joke!!! no snow on the ground or wind today.
 

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ATW running an hourly service between Crewe and Manchester Picc today, calling also at Northern stations due to Northern strike. 2 trains required to cover, worked by a 158 + 2x153 respectively.
 

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Or maybe run some up ECS from Canton? There's not much running in South Wales at the moment.
Given that the issue that has damaged sets is believed to be on the Marches, I suspect they are not too keen on running more trains over that stretch with the risk of damage.
 

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Given that the issue that has damaged sets is believed to be in the Marches, I suspect they are not too keen on running more trains over that stretch with the risk of damage.
Interesting... Is anything more specific in the public domain yet?
 

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Interesting... Is anything more specific in the public domain yet?
Nothing yet. Seems that if anybody Tweets to enquire about Chester and Manchester Picc, the answers seem a little vague and somebody on Facebook said that when ATW Customer Services were telephoned about the 175s this morning, the handler said they didn't know anything about any problem. Incidentally, an ECS ran from Chester to Hereford and return this morning (As from Chester Depot would indicate a 175) so at a guess, checking infrastructure. ATW have gone quiet on the issue and seem to be able to cover anything up at the moment by using the weather situation to cover things up.
 

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