Which is itself misleading as normally the quickest way to Teddington is via Kingston and the quickest way to Strawberry Hill is via Twickenham (the trains are scheduled to leave Waterloo within a few minutes of each other and to pass each other between Str Hill and Teddington)The Kingston loop service at Waterloo, Vauxhall and Clapham Junction has Teddington as the destination if it's via Richmond then Kingston, and Strawberry Hill if it's via Kingston then Richmond.
I worked as a platform rat at Vauxhall in the early 1980's, and was taught at the time that this was to deal with trains heading for the Shepperon Branch. Remember this was when SlamDoor stock was still common as the 455's were only just arriving, and at many stations the only customer information came from the platform rat using the platform PA.Yes, trains shown as TEDDINGTON via Richmond include Strawberry Hill in the calling points, but passengers are naturally attracted to the one saying STRAWBERRY HILL in big friendly letters, especially is it is scheduled to depart 4 minutes earlier.
If I recall correctly, the Hounslow loop services via Richmond then Brentford used to be announced at Richmond as going to Chiswick. The Kingston loop services were announced at Richmond as going to Wimbledon (and, going the other way around the loop, at Wimbledon as going to Richmond).I did the Hounslow loop from London Waterloo to St Margarets a couple of years ago and on departure from London the automated announcement said that the train was going to London via [full list]. Given that it's the only time I've taken that service I assumed it was normal, although a woman getting on somewhere near Richmond was completely confused.
That's incorrect. Travelling through Zone 6 to get to Zone 5 doesn't incur a higher fare, as long as you stay within the time limitsWhich is itself misleading as normally the quickest way to Teddington is via Kingston and the quickest way to Strawberry Hill is via Twickenham (the trains are scheduled to leave Waterloo within a few minutes of each other and to pass each other between Str Hill and Teddington)
What's more, although Strawberry Hill is in Zone 5, the irregular shape of the Zone5/6 boundary means travelling there via Kingston as advertised takes you through Zone 6, so a higher fare applies.
Yes, trains shown as TEDDINGTON via Richmond include Strawberry Hill in the calling points, but passengers are naturally attracted to the one saying STRAWBERRY HILL in big friendly letters, especially is it is scheduled to depart 4 minutes earlier.
That's correct with Oyster or contactless but if using a paper ticket you'd need it to include all the zones travelled through.That's incorrect. Travelling through Zone 6 to get to Zone 5 doesn't incur a higher fare, as long as you stay within the time limits
Yes, I meant to edit my post to clarify that, but you got there first!That's correct with Oyster or contactless but if using a paper ticket you'd need it to include all the zones travelled through.
It is true that if you touch in in Zone 1 and touch out in Zone 5 you will only be charged a Z1-5 fare, but that is only because The System doesn't know whether you went through Zone 6. For paper tickets, the National Rail website quotes different fares according to the route taken (e.g £7.00 and £7.80 single, £1,840 and £2,080 Annual Season). If you have a Travelcard, it needs to be valid in Zone 6 to travel via Kingston.That's incorrect. Travelling through Zone 6 to get to Zone 5 doesn't incur a higher fare, as long as you stay within the time limits
Not sure I understand how that is supposed to help Shepperton line passengers. Why would they think that a train shown as "Teddington via Kingston" or "Strawberry Hill via Richmond" was going any further (either to Shepperton or round the loop)? Instead it misleads passengers for Teddington and Strawberry Hill by directing them to trains going the long way round.The reason the trains on the Main Slow Platforms (normally 1-5) at Waterloo being signed as Strawberry Hill was to differentiate them from Shepperton trains which diverge before they reach Strawberry Hill.
The same logic applied on the Windsor side of Waterloo, where being signed Teddington made it clear the service wasn't running to Shepperton.
However this is now not relevant as all Shepperton trains now run from the Main side of Waterloo, and this is just a hang-over from the time when they didn't.
That's true if its on paper, but if its on Oyster it doesn't, as long as you have touched in and you have PAYG credit on it.If you have a Travelcard, it needs to be valid in Zone 6 to travel via Kingston.
Sounds like a 458Just caught a Hounslow service and on departure from Waterloo it announced all the stops back to Waterloo.
Don't think I've heard that before. Is it a new policy?
In practice, yes, although I don't know what happens if an inspector checks your Oyster whilst transitting Zone 6. (Same question arises if you travel right through Zone 1 on an Oyster Travelcard not valid in that Zone)That's true if its on paper, but if its on Oyster it doesn't, as long as you have touched in and you have PAYG credit on it.
As long as you've touched in, nothing happens. You've got a valid ticket.In practice, yes, although I don't know what happens if an inspector checks your Oyster whilst transitting Zone 6. (Same question arises if you travel right through Zone 1 on an Oyster Travelcard not valid in that Zone)
Was this on a 458? It's always done that on the 458s because their PIS is rubbish (when it's actually working).Just caught a Hounslow service and on departure from Waterloo it announced all the stops back to Waterloo.
Don't think I've heard that before. Is it a new policy?
Yes it wasWas this on a 458? It's always done that on the 458s because their PIS is rubbish (when it's actually working).