Alliance Blackpool service to be run by Grand Central and start spring 2020

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  1. Southern Dvr

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    I would suggest that Grand Central would struggle to maintain route knowledge via the various diversionary routes mentioned above so unless a conductor driver is available they’ll likely just cancel services when the main WCML is unavailable.
     
  2. gledhill56

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    Who dispatches the Watford DC services at Euston as they’re operated by Arriva on behalf of TfL if I remember correctly.
     
  3. Spaceship323

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    At Nuneaton LNWR 350's are asked to self dispatch "due to lack of platform staff" when I've been there recently so could GC do the same?
     
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    Had confirmation via email today that GC are not aware of any agreements for GC passengers, with a 1st class ticket, to use the Avanti West Coast 1st class lounge at Euston once the service commences.

    Which, given the impending HS2 work at Euston, is going to limit the places to catch some pre-train refreshment and workspace for those with a need.
     
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    Pretty sure the agreed walking time between platforms means there isn’t time between DC departures to get between, let alone using TOC resource for open access and all the complications that brings.
     
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    Not permitted at Euston, has to be CD/RA, ie from the platform, AIUI.
     
  7. Bletchleyite

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    I believe they have their own, though I might be remembering wrong.
     
  8. Bletchleyite

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    The HS2 work at Euston involves building an entirely new station on a completely different site before anything of note is done to the 1960s concourse, so there's plenty of places to sit (plus there's both the Taps in the gatehouses and the pub outside, not to mention the popular option of a cheeky Nando's). I've been in that lounge and it isn't really up to that much anyway. Given that the fares will be so much cheaper than Avanti's I doubt there will be anyone too bothered about this.

    And why would Avanti let their competitor use their lounge? (I know CS passengers can, but CS isn't really in competition - indeed, up to a point in time I forget the Sleepers were actually operated by ScotRail under contract to ICWC!)
     
  9. causton

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    LO have their own dispatcher at Euston.
     
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    Could you clarify what this means please?
    What is the AIUI?
     
  11. The Planner

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    As I Understand It
     
  12. LNW-GW Joint

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    I think it means that the LO staff won't have time to dispatch GC trains.
     
  13. Aictos

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    Can always roster agency staff to assist with the rostering of platform dispatchers.

    It happens already with a number of TOCs so not a issue at Euston.
     
  14. DarloRich

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    Do Grand Central have a lounge at Sunderland, York, Wakey, Halifax or Hartlepool?

    Posters here are obsessed with lounges> Get a brew form the concourse. As @Bletchleyite says Euston is nowt special
     
  15. VT 390

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    I think the only Grand Central lounge is at Wakefield Kirkgate.
     
  16. Mag_seven

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    Does anyone have a lounge at York? ;)

    (one coming soon though!)
     
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    GC have lounges at Wakefield and Hartlepool, think they are in the process of trying to get one at Eaglescliffe as well.

    The lounge at Kings Cross is for LNER passengers only so not sure it's surprising that Euston is the same for AWC. Likewise I think Edinburgh Waverley's is LNER only despite XC and AWC also offering a 1st Class option from there?
     
  18. A Challenge

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    Edinburgh Waverley allows use to sleeper passengers with certain types of ticket (though they don't have first class)
     
  19. Aictos

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    Actually you’re wrong in saying that the LNER lounges are for their passengers only.

    They are open to all who hold a Fully inter-available First Class Season Ticket (i.e. tickets not specific to one train company) meaning that if I held a Any Permitted Kings Cross to Peterborough 1st Season I could use it even if I chose to only travel on TL.

    Tickets Accepted in LNER First Class Lounge:
    • Fully inter-available First Class Season Ticket (i.e. tickets not specific to one train company)
    • Any First Class Anytime ticket valid for travel on the LNER route
    • Any LNER First Class packages
    • First Advance (routed LNER & connections)
    • LNER First Class Reader Offer (routed LNER & connections)
    • LNER First Class Flat Fare (routed LNER & connections)
    • LNER Rewards First Class Leisure Single (routed LNER & connections)
    • LNER Self-Print First Class Upgrade voucher (routed LNER & connections)
    • Inclusive Tour Tickets (eg. Superbreak)
    • Weekend First
     
  20. DarloRich

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    You learn something everyday!

    A lounge at Hartlpooh? Goodness me.
     
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    For the diversions, northampton/weedon is compulsary. Routes at Rugby/Hanslope can't be queried. The rest I would guess would be west midlands via stechford, bescot, bushbury to Stafford, Colwich to Crewe via Stoke/Kidsgrove and maybe via man picc, however, doubt they will ever get diverted via picc as it's full.

    Also as they will have so few drivers, and the diversionary routes will be very rarely used, keeping competency up will be a big challenge. personally i'd say Stafford to Rugby via west midlands would be the most accessible and beneficial during times of disruption. They would be better putting an agreement in place with an FOC for a route conductor provision during times of engineering or disruption.
     
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    After yesterday's issues with the landslip at Dutton Viaduct, 90019 is out light engine today between Crewe and Wigan.
    Full set expected to make a foray to Blackpool tomorrow morning!
     
  27. DarloRich

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    I saw a man in full GC garb at Milton Keynes this week. He was reading a paper. Not sure if that is significant ;) It is good to see staff on the ground. Trains cant be far away.
     
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    Is there any indication yet of what their fares will be like? And of whether they'll be able to carry cycles?
     
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    One would hope that the DVT can still be used for cycle storage, as it was for 30 years on the ECML.
     
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