In the New Europe i read that because of the Brexit something is delayed.
Makes sense - since there's going to be changes to the freedom of movement, they'll need to do more strict passport checks at the European stations. At the moment just waving an EU-member state passport is enough, now there may be visa checks, etc.In the New Europe i read that because of the Brexit something is delayed.
Unfortunately I'll be pleasantly surprised if the Amsterdam route has a long term future post-Brexit.Not at all surprising.
I really hope this whole mess of a situation does not threaten the Amsterdam route's future.
Of course it will. UK-EU travel is going to get more difficult and less attractive. It'll be just as much hassle for EU citizens to go to (for example) Thailand, and the weather will be better there too!I really hope this whole mess of a situation does not threaten the Amsterdam route's future.
It was a completely different world. Back then a long haul flight was something that cost the average persons a month's wage or more, right now I can book flights for a weekend in New York for £233. There's a whole generation who have never had to get a visa to visit another EU country - as a resident of Amsterdam, why go through the hassle of getting a UK visa and pay €200 return on a train when I can spend €250 and go to New York instead?People were going on holiday to Europe before we joined the EEC after all.
It was a completely different world. Back then a long haul flight was something that cost the average persons a month's wage or more, right now I can book flights for a weekend in New York for £233. There's a whole generation who have never had to get a visa to visit another EU country - as a resident of Amsterdam, why go through the hassle of getting a UK visa and pay €200 return on a train when I can spend €250 and go to New York instead?
Of course it will. UK-EU travel is going to get more difficult and less attractive. It'll be just as much hassle for EU citizens to go to (for example) Thailand, and the weather will be better there too!
It was a completely different world. Back then a long haul flight was something that cost the average persons a month's wage or more, right now I can book flights for a weekend in New York for £233. There's a whole generation who have never had to get a visa to visit another EU country - as a resident of Amsterdam, why go through the hassle of getting a UK visa and pay €200 return on a train when I can spend €250 and go to New York instead?
It took me all of 15 minutes to get mine.You still need the ESTA visa waiver for the US.
What we don't know yet is what EU nationals will have to do to enter the UK post-Brexit.Exactly - which will be about the same length of time for the EU equivalent when it comes in 2021.
Exactly - which will be about the same length of time for the EU equivalent when it comes in 2021.
I agree it's ridiculous, but it's what will be - UK citizens will need an ESTA equivalent to travel to the EU, we don't know yet what will be required in the other direction. Does anyone know if there will be UK Borders Agency staff at Amsterdam Centraal? Or will the checks be done on-train?the idea EU citizens should need one to visit the UK (and vice versa) is ridiculous
Does anyone know if there will be UK Borders Agency staff at Amsterdam Centraal? Or will the checks be done on-train?
So I guess boarding only at Rotterdam?The border control facilities are already there in Amsterdam and Rotterdam (with the latter almost finished).
Depends on when you're looking. Central London to the Center of Amsterdam for £37 in March vs £23 on easyJet on the same day. Throw in a single ticket to Stansted and another from Schiphol to Amsterdam and the train is cheaper.For me it is more the fares that are discouraging. It is it not that much more convenient than flying but costs up to twice as much for a choice of two one way departure
Depends on when you're looking. Central London to the Center of Amsterdam for £37 in March vs £23 on easyJet on the same day. Throw in a single ticket to Stansted and another from Schiphol to Amsterdam and the train is cheaper.
Exactly - people when making air vs rail fare comparisons often forget to take into account the cost of getting to and from the airport. Also given that the cheapest of air fares are often flights very early in the morning, you may often have to throw in the cost of an airport hotel as well!
I'm considering a direct city centre to city centre journey, so just point to point tickets.There is the cost of getting to and from St.Pancras and adding Schipol to a day ticket for Amsterdam isn't that much more.
I just picked a couple of dates at random in March and got the same.Am sure you can find the odd example of the train being cheaper...
From what I've seen, flights are slightly less (rather than a lot less) when you book in advance. You are right that they are much more frequent though.but overall the flights tend to be a lot less and at more convenient times.
Exactly - people when making air vs rail fare comparisons often forget to take into account the cost of getting to and from the airport. Also given that the cheapest of air fares are often flights very early in the morning, you may often have to throw in the cost of an airport hotel as well!
There is the cost of getting to and from St.Pancras and adding Schipol to a day ticket for Amsterdam isn't that much more. Am sure you can find the odd example of the train being cheaper but overall the flights tend to be a lot less and at more convenient times.
That's exactly why compare city centre to city centre - what origin to what destination? You might live right under the flight path and I might be 65km from the airport, and same at the other end. CC2CC allows an apples to apples comparison.People making air vs rail fare comparisons really ought not to be comparing city-centre to city-centre (though that clearly makes the calculations easier) but origin to destination.
Depends on when you're looking. Central London to the Center of Amsterdam for £37 in March vs £23 on easyJet on the same day. Throw in a single ticket to Stansted and another from Schiphol to Amsterdam and the train is cheaper.