Are these really network rail personnel?

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  1. iwannaknow

    iwannaknow New Member

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    Hi all, I watched a couple of railway workers today near my house and a couple of things seemed a bit off to me. Any info anybody could supply would be much appreciated. I'll just ask direct questions rather than write a giant explanation.

    Do Network Rail employ eastern Europeans? (initially drew my attention because they were speaking a language that sounded like russian or polish)

    They were walking along the track making notes.

    They seemed to be more interested in the houses than anything to do with the railway.

    Been hearing some stuff about Romanian gangs nicking stuff from the railways.

    How easy is it to get the orange kit? I gather it could be stolen or reproduced easily enough.

    I know I sound a bit over-cautious but I trust my gut and this was strange.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. DarloRich

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    if you are concerned you should contact btp

     
  4. AlterEgo

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    Could they be perhaps sub-contractors?

    If you are suspicious I'd probably give Network Rail Community Relations a call on 0845 711 4141, to check if these people were legit or not.
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    You can do that too...

    0800 40 50 40.
     
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  5. iwannaknow

    iwannaknow New Member

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    Excellent. Cheers.
     
  6. DarloRich

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    thanks - i am on my phone and didnt have the numbers to hand

     
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    Yeah - BTP 0800 number is a non-emergency number so you can contact them with a general concern (such as this) or to report a crime.
     
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    In answer to your original question, yes, there are a significant number of foreign workers on Network Rail, some for sub-contractors. Orange hi-vis are not difficult to get hold of, but all Network Rail contractors should have thier company name on the back of the hi-vis jacket, and (and I stand to be corrected on this) should have a white hard hat. In short, if you are not sure, by all means contact BTP, who can make some very easy and quick enquiries to ascertain if these people are on the lines legitimately.
     
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    you may also have a blue hard hat

     
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    If you're the tea boy, I mean, new. /evil ;)
     
  11. DarloRich

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    no -it also means you belong in the office where it is safe and dry and warm and work finishes at 5pm!

    and i will take tea boy over some of the other titles!

     
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    A good way to tell is the Orange Vest. There's plenty of them out there, but genuine railway ones have the shiny silver stripe going over the shoulders. Additionally they will all have (emergency rip-release) studs on the shoulders, so the Vest comes apart if snagged by a passing train, avoiding dragging the employee with it.

    Was a basic mistake for 4 cable thieves near Castleford some years ago, BTP got them.
     
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    Not all, issue bodywarmers don't have quick release studs.
     
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    Would you have been suspicious if you hadn't thought they were "Eastern Europeans"?
     
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    Here we go...
     
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    It's a perfectly valid and reasonable observation to make.
     
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    So if I send you to a foreign country, you should be deemed suspicious because you speak a different language?
     
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    The OP said there had been reports of Romanian gangs stealing metal. He saw some suspicious-looking Eastern European men on the railway (suspicious for reasons other than being possibly Romanian).

    If you had a spate of bank robberies perpetrated by clowns in your area and you saw a clown loitering outside a bank, you'd naturally be more suspicious of the clown than anyone else.

    The OP was suspicious and I don't think it is fair to criticise him for that. For all we know he may have prevented a metal theft, and thousands of delay minutes. Or maybe the chaps were there legitimately after all.

    So what?
     
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    What proportion of railway metal thefts are carried out by "Eastern Europeans"?

    ...and while you're at it, what proportion of genuine railway workers are "Eastern Europeans"?
     
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    I've no idea, but the OP, rightly or wrongly, had heard that there was a spate of metal thefts perpetrated by Eastern Europeans. I suspect very few metal thefts are actually carried out by Eastern Europeans, but I don't know.

    No idea, and it's not relevant.

    The OP, if he contacted the BTP/NR about this, did the right thing, and that's all that matters.

    Isn't it?
     
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    That was not what I said. I was agreeing with BRX - his observation that the OP had mentioned nationality was reasonable. Hence why I quoted District.
     
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    And where did he get this information about gangs of Eastern Europeans?

    Sounds like wild rumours to me.
     
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    What are you on about? The OP talked about nationality. BRX asked if he would have thought any different if they weren't Eastern European. I agreed with BRX.
     
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    Sounds like rumours to me too! But hey, it may have been presented to him as fact.

    The criticism of the OP is wholly unnecessary.
     
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    It appeared that the OP made a judgement about some people based at least partly on their supposed nationality, because of some probably unfounded perception that "Eastern Europeans" walking around on the railway are more likely to be looking for metal to steal, than to be there as part of their work.

    Does it matter if the OP contacted the BTP as a result of seeing people behaving suspiciously? No.

    Does it matter if the OP makes judgements about people based on their perceived nationality? Well, it could matter to the people of those nationalities, if they are constantly subjected to unreasonable suspicion while going about their daily duties.

    It doesn't mean the OP is a terrible person, but maybe some gentle questioning when such comments are made could make them think about these questions, and maybe in some small way that could make life a little easier for those of other nationalities working in the UK who are fed up of being treated in a certain way because of rumours and hearsay about what other people of their nationality may or may not be getting up to.
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    Oh well! That's OK then! No need to question it.

    Did you hear that most Irish people are a bit stupid by the way?
     
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    These rumors, in my opinion, are simply based off deep rooted fears of the unknown!
     
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    Yes. ;);) I also hear they steal metal!

    (I am half Irish, seriously I am joking and trying to illustrate another assumption.)

    Prejudice is part of life I am afraid. I experience what many would view as prejudice, just like everyone else, because I am young. Ho hum.
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    That's a fair comment.
     
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    No one has commented on the fact that it was a foreign language being used (be it Romanian or whatever) - surely English should be used at all times in case there are non-Romanian speakers on the line at the same time? Same principle for air traffic control conversations.
     
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    Interesting re the nationality debate.

    If there are people from a country discussing between themselves there is probably a lot of sense in them using their mother tongue.

    I read the OP's comment as being based on the language / nationality being a distinguishing feature and nothing more - no different to a regional accent.

    As for Hi-viz jackets in orange with reflective strips they are available to anyone for a couple of quid and that is a good thing as they are far more visible than the yellow ones.
     
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    Yes, but the railway ones (i.e. have the poppers on the shoulder, sides) aren't as readily available. Mine is just a bog-standard £5 orange vest.

    Anyways, the orange was chosen over yellow so it couldn't be mistaken for a signal - or so I'm told
     
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    That's certainly the case with signallers, much to the annoyance of some Welsh speakers near private crossings on the Cambrian, where Welsh-speaking signallers have been told they must only use English for safety purposes. (Article in Y Cymro paper some months ago, I started a topic somewhere here.)

     
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