Are these services 9 or 11 car pendos?

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philjo

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Are the following services from Euston diagrammed for 9 or 11 coaches on Friday?

10:00 to Manchester
10:07 to Liverpool
10:30 to Glasgow

I will be using one of these services on Friday morning. Many thanks.
 
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You never know for sure with VT. I get the same train most days and it varies between 9 and 11 coach.
 

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Heard it on the Grapevine that preference is given to Liverpool and Glasgow runs but the fact that F and U are unreserved means there's no obligation for this to happen.

Same way you can get a 158 on 35-minute Northern diagrams but 142s on Newcastle-Glasgow via Carlisle ones.
 

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Heard it on the Grapevine that preference is given to Liverpool and Glasgow runs but the fact that F and U are unreserved means there's no obligation for this to happen.

Same way you can get a 158 on 35-minute Northern diagrams but 142s on Newcastle-Glasgow via Carlisle ones.

The 11 car intro diagrams aren't given preference to any particular route, more to journeys with heavy loadings.
Many diagrams consist of journeys to different destinations, not just shuttling between the same places all day hence they can be seen on anything.
Equally, some diagrams do involve stock shuttling between the same places all day so if there is one particularly heavy loaded journey, the same unit will stay on diagram regardless.

Not explained particularly well but you get the idea!
 

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The 11 car intro diagrams aren't given preference to any particular route, more to journeys with heavy loadings.
Many diagrams consist of journeys to different destinations, not just shuttling between the same places all day hence they can be seen on anything.
Equally, some diagrams do involve stock shuttling between the same places all day so if there is one particularly heavy loaded journey, the same unit will stay on diagram regardless.

Not explained particularly well but you get the idea!

I see what you mean, but a return journey from London to Manchester in the middle of the day is unlikely to be busy at all in either direction, whereas anything going to Glasgow will be comparatively heaving.
 

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I see what you mean, but a return journey from London to Manchester in the middle of the day is unlikely to be busy at all in either direction, whereas anything going to Glasgow will be comparatively heaving.

Agreed. But in this example, the earlier and later services worked by the unit on that particular Manchester diagram could have extremely heavy loadings and there may not be an opportunity for a unit swap during the day...
 

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Same way you can get a 158 on 35-minute Northern diagrams but 142s on Newcastle-Glasgow via Carlisle ones.
That's not a great analogy, as I believe the only G&SW service that North East 142s occasionally found their way onto was an early morning Dumfries - Newcastle (or something similar) working that was generally booked a 156. The Newcastle - Glasgow via Carlisle services use Scotrail (SPT units formerly) 156s with Northern crews as far as Carlisle on all services.
 

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Same way you can get a 158 on 35-minute Northern diagrams but 142s on Newcastle-Glasgow via Carlisle ones.

That's different. Northern decided it would be best to base all their 158s at Neville Hill so they don't work any of the routes out of Newcastle, Liverpool or Manchester Piccadilly. Merseytravel even sponsor 6 of the 158s for Liverpool-Manchester Airport and Liverpool-Wigan/Blackpool but Northern cascaded over 156s from the former ATN area in lieu.
 
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