Areas That Have Different Numbers For Subsidised Services

[Statto]

Merseytravel have mostly different numbers for there subsidised services for the main commercial service. The formula is Merseytravel services were/are between numbered between 100 & 250, such as such as the 19 becomes 119, although Sundays it becomes 244 when Merseytravel subsidise it, mainly due to different fares charged which are cheaper than the commercial services. However however lines have been blurred, as some commercial services are between 100-250, most notably 217/227 in Liverpool, & Merseytravel have numbers covering commercial routes 250+ & some late night Wirral routes still have the commercial number even though they're a Merseytravel service.

Got me thinking do other areas have the similar situation, i know Bristol did, not sure whether they still do.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Milton Keynes used to use an E suffix for subsidised evening/Sunday routes, though they haven't done for a while.

 

[overthewater]

west Lothian council used to use 400 series but that was dropped, Fife council did the same once using 80 series but that was dropped.

SPT just dont care.

 

[carlberry]

Got me thinking do other areas have the similar situation, i know Bristol did, not sure whether they still do.

The old Avon County council did; anything above 500 used to be subsidised and there was a formula where you could work out the commercial number from the subsidised one (+500 for Bristol city, +300 for Bristol country, +500 for Bath etc. etc.) which has been gradually abandoned since the new authorities have taken over. A few examples where the service is completely subsidised still retain their high numbers however.

The modern version of this is followed by Cumbria council (and others) which have removed the need to identify subsidised services by removing all subsidy!

 

[Statto]

The old Avon County council did; anything above 500 used to be subsidised and there was a formula where you could work out the commercial number from the subsidised one (+500 for Bristol city, +300 for Bristol country, +500 for Bath etc. etc.) which has been gradually abandoned since the new authorities have taken over. A few examples where the service is completely subsidised still retain their high numbers however.

The modern version of this is followed by Cumbria council (and others) which have removed the need to identify subsidised services by removing all subsidy!

I thought Bristol City area was 600+ but i may be mistaken.

I seem to remember the old Cleveland county area had different numbers for subsidised routes, not sure if the replacement Councils still do.

Merseytravel have abandoned a lot of the tendered services they covered over commercial routes, which were mostly Monday to Saturday morning services before 7am, although most of them have been replaced commercially.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

The old Avon County council did; anything above 500 used to be subsidised and there was a formula where you could work out the commercial number from the subsidised one (+500 for Bristol city, +300 for Bristol country, +500 for Bath etc. etc.) which has been gradually abandoned since the new authorities have taken over. A few examples where the service is completely subsidised still retain their high numbers however.

The modern version of this is followed by Cumbria council (and others) which have removed the need to identify subsidised services by removing all subsidy!

The Avon CC plan split almost along the lines of the four future unitaries and was 500 for Bristol (BCC), 600 for Bristol Country (South Glos), 700 for Bath (BaNES) and 800 for Weston (NSC).

Such a plan was also followed by Cleveland CC whereby commercial services had one number and the supported variant had another number in the following manner: 500 (Hartlepool and Stockton), 600 (Middlesbrough), 700 (East Cleveland). This was perhaps a bit difficult when certain services ran through all such as 268 Darlington to Lingdale via Stockton and Middlesbro' was the 768. Some 7** ones still exist (e.g. 758/9, 772/3/8 Guisborough area) but most have gone as LA's like Hartlepool have removed their supported services.

North Yorkshire used to have a system where they would have a different number for school journeys (different budget?). Thus a route like Richmond to Swaledale would be numbered 30 except the schools runs which were 202N; it did mean that one week, it was 202N and the following week (half term) it reverted to 30. I'm sure it made sense to some bureaucrat but not to passengers :roll:

 

[Statto]

The Avon CC plan split almost along the lines of the four future unitaries and was 500 for Bristol (BCC), 600 for Bristol Country (South Glos), 700 for Bath (BaNES) and 800 for Weston (NSC).

Such a plan was also followed by Cleveland CC whereby commercial services had one number and the supported variant had another number in the following manner: 500 (Hartlepool and Stockton), 600 (Middlesbrough), 700 (East Cleveland). This was perhaps a bit difficult when certain services ran through all such as 268 Darlington to Lingdale via Stockton and Middlesbro' was the 768. Some 7** ones still exist (e.g. 758/9, 772/3/8 Guisborough area) but most have gone as LA's like Hartlepool have removed their supported services.

North Yorkshire used to have a system where they would have a different number for school journeys (different budget?). Thus a route like Richmond to Swaledale would be numbered 30 except the schools runs which were 202N; it did mean that one week, it was 202N and the following week (half term) it reverted to 30. I'm sure it made sense to some bureaucrat but not to passengers :roll:

Talking about Schools, most areas have different numbers for School services, Merseytravel it's 600-799, although there is a handful of 600+ non School routes in the St Helens area that borders Greater Manchester, being Wigan/Leigh area numbers.

 

[freetoview33]

The old Avon County council did; anything above 500 used to be subsidised and there was a formula where you could work out the commercial number from the subsidised one (+500 for Bristol city, +300 for Bristol country, +500 for Bath etc. etc.) which has been gradually abandoned since the new authorities have taken over. A few examples where the service is completely subsidised still retain their high numbers however.

The modern version of this is followed by Cumbria council (and others) which have removed the need to identify subsidised services by removing all subsidy!

I am trying to think of ones around the former Avon Area!

There are still a few in 500, 600, 700, 800 + range although most follow complete different routes and the number is dwindling

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Talking about Schools, most areas have different numbers for School services, Merseytravel it's 600-799, although there is a handful of 600+ non School routes in the St Helens area that borders Greater Manchester, being Wigan/Leigh area numbers.

It's not that dedicated schools journeys have different numbers. That is common enough.

However, the same actual journey run by the same company and same vehicle (e.g. 1600 from Northallerton to Darlington) could have a different number depending which week it was!