ASLEF - LNER drivers to strike every Sat & Sun for 3 months from 31 Aug - Now called off

[yorksrob]

About the one and only thing I agreed with the Tories about! Taxpayers' patience with the railways demanding a blank cheque with ever increasing subsidies, and striking all the time, is getting sorely tested. I've always felt that the people who go on strike are those who can afford to!

Well, they don't appear to be striking all the time now.

The previous Government's approach seemed to achieve nothing but industrial unrest.

 

[jmh59]

Presumably the drivers will get paid regardless of if they need to work now they are not on strike?

 

[dk1]

Presumably the drivers will get paid regardless of if they need to work now they are not on strike?

Of course.

 

[InOban]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

 

[ainsworth74]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

I would be highly surprised if any union had allowed a term in their contracts that permitted an unpaid lay-off (the situation if you turn up to work, there is no work for you to do and you get sent home).

 

[TreacleMiller]

Presumably the drivers will get paid regardless of if they need to work now they are not on strike?

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

All drivers who were meant to be in tomorrow and Sunday will be at work. If they drive or not is upto the company and it's planning ability.

Crew planning wasn't changed either, just the timetabled services.

They could have resolved two years ago and earlier in the week. They chose not to.

Many of us will have our start times changed as a result and shock horror many of us will have made plans we are now changing..

 

[Mawkie]

Presumably the drivers will get paid regardless of if they need to work now they are not on strike?

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't?

 

[Walter Whigham]

The sort of shenanigans perpetuated by LNER Management would not have been tolerated in Chris Green's time. When he was the Scottish Region GM any instance of bullying or breaking agreements were known to be automatic disciplinary matters and thus disputes were few and far between. Most problems were talked through to an amicable conclusion between Senior Management, sometimes involving Mr Green himself, and union leaders. Today's Senior Managers would do well to learn from that. What is now needed of the LNER MD is a serious examination of the company's manpower planning policies to avoid cancellations due to the oft-quoted excuse of lack of crew.

I am sure that Mr Green could give a useful steer on this issue, if approached.

 

[Tractor2018]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

The public? Or the public, and you in particular?

"They have to give two weeks notice" thanks to the public, or the former government in lieu at least. Cake, eat it??

 

[Bald Rick]

One day, when I’m not in railway employment, I shall write up what has happened here. The truth is somewhat different to the position being portrayed in this thread.

 

[Horizon22]

One day, when I’m not in railway employment, I shall write up what has happened here. The truth is somewhat different to the position being portrayed in this thread.

"The Memoirs of Bald Rick"

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

"The Memoirs of Bald Rick"

Indeed I'm sure @Bald Rick has a growing list of interesting insightful back storys of various events over the life of this forum.

 

[uww11x]

One day, when I’m not in railway employment, I shall write up what has happened here. The truth is somewhat different to the position being portrayed in this thread.

Might as well just publish it now, no better time than the present

 

[father_jack]

Might as well just publish it now, no better time than the present

Might end up working train headcode 1P45 if he did.

 

[ainsworth74]

Might as well just publish it now, no better time than the present

Not sure that @Bald Rick is wanting to come over all Gareth Dennis just yet!

 

[Starmill]

I'm going to be honest here that I don't get what was needed to resolve this issue, or what's been agreed will happen.

Luckily for all I'm not involved so it doesn't actually matter to anyone but it's still curious because usually there's a story to tell. What has been won here? What hasn't been won? Has it saved money, has it cost money? It makes little sense.

The sort of shenanigans perpetuated by LNER Management would not have been tolerated in Chris Green's time. When he was the Scottish Region GM any instance of bullying or breaking agreements were known to be automatic disciplinary matters and thus disputes were few and far between. Most problems were talked through to an amicable conclusion between Senior Management, sometimes involving Mr Green himself, and union leaders. Today's Senior Managers would do well to learn from that. What is now needed of the LNER MD is a serious examination of the company's manpower planning policies to avoid cancellations due to the oft-quoted excuse of lack of crew.

I am sure that Mr Green could give a useful steer on this issue, if approached.

Indeed not, but there's apparently disagreement about the facts of what the management did and did not do. And now there's been a settlement but the management doesn't look much changed.

 

[dk1]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

What the public might consider is thankfully irrelevant.

 

[jmh59]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

I would hope the public would not be so daft! I've only been on strike once and I suspect that if we'd had to wait to be paid once the strike ended we would still be out.

 

[Starmill]

The public might consider that since they have to give two weeks notice of going on strike that they shouldn't be able to turn up at the last minute and expect to be paid for a shift which had already been cancelled.

I think the reason you're getting heat for this comment is because employees simply don't declare if they're going on strike or not. They can't be compelled to do that, so an employer shouldn't ask them to give an answer that they can't hold them to. The strike is lawful or it isn't. That's totally separate from if you are going to go on it or not.

LNER can however shift times of shifts as long as it's within the notice and bounds set out in the usual conditions of work. What they can't do is cancel work just like that because of a strike.

 

[BrianW]

Hopefully heads have been banged together very hard indeed within LNER management circles. Good to hear of a breakthrough within that toxicity.

So its been called off. How has it been resolved so quickly? Two years of dispute and some of the horror stories I have read on here and it quickly got resolved. Now as a passenger I am cheering no strikes but very suspicious how quickly it was resolved.

Surely some coincidence that LNER has bad publicity over unacceptable treatment of a member of the House of Lords (Tanni Grey-Thompson) and PR folk advise settling bad-news strikes.

Maybe even the Minister for Rail, Lord Hendy, saw some mileage in taking focus away from other matters with a 'good news' story.

 

[InOban]

What the public might consider is thankfully irrelevant.

Except it isn't. The public ultimately pay your wages and the railway is in great need of political support.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Except it isn't. The public ultimately pay your wages and the railway is in great need of political support.

This.

 

[dk1]

Except it isn't. The public ultimately pay your wages and the railway is in great need of political support.

When it comes to our working agreements it is irrelevant.