Asylum seekers on railway line between Effingham Junction and Cobham [23/3]

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  1. infobleep

    infobleep Established Member

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    Currently on the 8.07 from Guildford. After leaving Effingham Junction the driver saw three people beside the railway line so stopped the train and informed the signalman. Power to the line now switched off.

    Turns out they are asylum seekers likely to have come from a neat by lorry park on the M25. The guard said they don't speak a word of English but know the word asylum.

    Now waiting for the police to arrive as the driver didn't want to try and get them onto the train without back up. Fair enough. Would you want to do that in his and the guards shoes?

    Of course there is no easy road access to here. There is a farm they could access but would still have to climb up over a fence and up a bank.

    Police not near by either but they can't be everywhere.

    Unfortunately as it's a 455, I can't stick my head or camera out the side of the window to see what is happening. No advantage of older rolling stock.

    We should have been at Cobham and Stoke D'Abernon at 8.27. Now 9.06.

    People have been removed from the tracks so power will shortly be restored. Only be just over 30 minutes late. They can't cancel any stops really as this train runs fast from Surbiton as it is and I can't see them cancelling stops before Surbiton, as the next train, the 8.36 was diverted via Epsom as a result of this.
     
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  2. Class377/5

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    When you put 25/3, is that the date as it's currently 23/3.
     
  3. infobleep

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    Thanks for pointing that out. I'm ahead of myself date wise. It is indeed the 23rd.

    I must say the guard and driver were really good throughout the incident in keeping us informed.

    There were also two track maintenance staff walking along the side of the down line heading north. One had a flag and the other a large spanner. Didn't realise track inspections like this still took place. I thought they used specialist rolling stock to check the state of the lines.

    Never realised before just how close the lorry park is to the side of the line.
     
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    Specialist rolling stock probably can't tighten the nuts/bolts on fishplates.
     
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    Especially at 125mph :lol:
     
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    We regularly have the inspection gang out on foot inspecting the whole section - most of it is done fortnightly, but I understand that that frequency varies according to a few different factors. The eventual aim, I'm sure, is for the various recording trains to make this type of work obsolete, but - for now - most of their work seems to be in addition to the track walkers' efforts rather than trying to replace them.
     
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    You'll be hard pushed to do 125 miles an hour around Effingham Junction!

    I thought, in correctly, that all track work such as this was now done during line possessions but not so.
     
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    The problem here, with current matters in mind, is that some terrorist organization could well use non-English speakers to try to cause a railway accident.
     
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    Quiet, which is rightly one of the reasons why the driver no doubt called for the BTP rather than deal with them between himself and the guard.

    Besides which carriage do they put them in? It's 455. Can you lock certain carriages? Even if you can, you'd have to move the passengers. It wasn't standing packed yet but it still takes time for passengers to move. By the time the train leaves Hinchley Wood it's usually standing room only.

    As much as it delayed me, it was the right course of action in my opinion.
     
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    One of the issues here is the differing attitudes to safety/trespass between the UK and probably most other countries both in Europe and beyond. Most people of around my age(33) will remember being shown the video about 'Robbie' who loved football and ended up losing his feet after taking a shortcut across a railway line- quite a harrowing tale for a 6-8-year-old. Whether other European countries have a similar education programme, I don't know, but the levels of graffiti seen on the lineside in France and Germany would suggest that their programmes are less effective. Places like the Democratic Republic of Congo are even less likely to have a comprehensive anti-tresspass education programme.

    I remember a few years ago being at Honley station (to take a few pics of the K-Line depot) when a Romanian man with a boy of about 11 entered the station. He asked me in broken English when the next train to Sheffield was due, and I told him it would be 50 minutes as I'd just got off the previous one. He thanked me and proceeded to start walking down the ramp at the Sheffield end, so I shouted back and said there's a train due coming that way in the next 10 minutes or so. The man shrugged and they continued walking towards Brockholes. I of course called BTP and informed them of people on the line in the area, including a minor. When the Huddersfield train arrived (a few minutes late) I asked the guard if he'd seen anything, he said they'd had a message from control to be aware, had seen the pair and slowed to a stop, but the trespassers had run into the surrounding undergrowth.
     
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    You can. But you still have to get them onboard, and that's not brilliant if you're not used to climbing in and out of trains (especially with the slippery grab rails on 455 cabs on a cold morning). Besides, of course, it is indeed much harder for the trespassers to then be found in situ and then removed to the appropriate place, whether or not they pose a specific security risk.
     
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    In the last couple of weeks I've watched both "The Train" and "Von Ryan's Express" and both films seem to show how easy it is for a non-railwayman to cause a derailment, though there always seems to be a convenient lineside hut full of tools in such films.
     
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    I think, if I'd travelled in/under an HGV across Europe, Cobham is the approximate area I'd choose to alight. Maybe Weybridge, but Surbiton has gone downhill.
     
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    Of course in many countries walking by the tracks is not considered trespass and safety is reliant on common sense.
     
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    I imagine there was a lot of Effingham and a good deal of Blindingham...

    © R Perrin
     
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    Its the new service station on the M25, not a lorry park as such.
     
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    Thanks for the correction. Didn't know that. Can't say I've really noticed it before.

    No asylum seekers on the line this morning and as a rare treat, the 7.36 got into Surbiton on time.

    Hopefully the people caught will be treated justly and if they are genuine refugees they will be able to stay and if not then back to where they came from I guess.
    --- old post above --- --- new post below ---
    News reports. Now 17 people arrested. It seems 14 were captured shortly after 6am but these three made it to the railway tracks.


    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/suspected-asylum-seekers-arrested-cobham-8906185

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/cobham-train-services-disrupted-suspected-8898930
     
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    They'll be back.
     
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    "Morning Miss Jones, 11 minutes late; asylum-seekers at Effingham" - to mis-quote RIP.
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    Presumably, if from the countries mentioned, they would have no clue that the third rail was live and could very easily have simply stepped onto it as they might a running rail. Could have been nasty.
     
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    Whilst a degree of caution is a good thing, if we assume that every non-English speaker being somewhere they shouldn't is a terrorist the country will quickly grind to a halt!
     
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