ATW 142's

[Donny Dave]

From UK-Rail

This may be welcomed by some but not by the commuters of South Wales.It would appear that Arriva Trains has had to withdraw all of its 142's due to them failing their crash worthiness test.I think this goes back to the accident in Cheshire a while back with Freighliner 86's,seems it takes this long for the results to feedback.

Ta Martin

 

[yorkie]

Are they really more crashworthy than Mk1s? I find it hard to believe (but I've not seen any results so it's a pure guess).

How many 142s are there? It may not be so bad as TPE will have loads of 158s available, which could be cascaded (to replace Sprinters and so on).

I don't suppose it means a reprieve for the 37s?

 

[ChristopherJ]

It would appear that Arriva Trains has had to withdraw all of its 142's due to them failing their crash worthiness test.

Oh well.

But shouldn't this then be the same situation with Northern's 142s? :? What makes ATW's 142s different from any other TOCs?

 

[Sprog]

hmm, strange :?

37s cummon down..........

 

[86242]

From UK-Rail

I think this goes back to the accident in Cheshire a while back with Freighliner 86's,seems it takes this long for the results to feedback.

Ta Martin

I think you mean a Virgin 87...

 

[Sprog]

Winsford, 1999...

PACER: http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10590264.html

VS.

87: http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10570323.html

= http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10570324.html

YOUCHIE!! hock:

http://mark5811.fotopic.net/c391880_1.html

 

[Met Driver]

Winsford, 1999...

Winsford could have been a lot worse, if it wasn't for the bravery of the 87 driver. AFAIK he managed to reduce his speed from around the 90 mark down to something like 40 before the impact, before seeking refuge behind the bulkhead. A very brave man indeed...

 

[Guinness]

Pacers were designed on the cheap anyway. Leyland Buses were designed for up to 50mph operation not 75mph down the WCML Mainline!

It's a hell of a job to get rid off all Northerns Pacers but it can be done (As I've done in INR ). 158s will cascade the Pacers to there grave depending on who wins the Safety vs Economics War.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

however, i dunno about 37s coming on with ATW when the pacers go, they have they're ex-SC 150s now, and they seem to be out alot than pacers, and that was one day i was there i was on nothing but 150s!

 

[AlexS]

Far as I can tell, this is simply a 'michael take'. Nothing mentioned in the news or anything about Arriva Trains Wales withdrawing any stock at all.

 

[joy54.gen]

I believe it was as well, pacers were running on ATW today.

 

[Jim]

WTF!!! Is this true - I don't belive it TBH

 

[Guinness]

WTF!!! Is this true - I don't belive it TBH

It's possible but quite unlikely. Withdrawing an entire fleet of Trains within immediate effect without notification of any sort (Posters, Web, BBC etc.) is unlikely but something like this could happen in the future with Pacers.

 

[TheSlash]

Winsford, 1999...

PACER: http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10590264.html

VS.

87: http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10570323.html

= http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p10570324.html

YOUCHIE!! hock:

http://mark5811.fotopic.net/c391880_1.html

What caused that fender bender then?

 

[Met Driver]

Here's a summary of the article in RM August '99:

The 0630 Euston-Glasgow was running at line speed (100mph) under clear signals when the driver saw the stationary pacer blocking the line. He managed to 'cosh it' and apply the sanders before taking refuge in the equipment room. His actions caused the train to slow to 30-40mph on impact.

The pacer was on an ECS working, and it failed to stop at the signal protecting the Glasgow train at Winsford South Junction. Once the driver had realised what he'd done, he stopped (in the 87's path) and despite trying to contact the signalling centre nothing could be done to stop the 87. Thankfully there were no fatalities.

 

[Tomnick]

Indeed, that's the one - the signal in question was the last one on the Down Slow line before it converged with the Down Fast line (at Winsford South Junction), so the unit ran out onto the fast line before stopping.