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Avanti service reductions from Monday 26th July

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12.18 off Euston to Glasgow was cancelled too. I was on the 12.37 Euston to Edinburgh from Warrington to Wigan. Lots of room.
 
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The 11.12 Euston - Glasgow was cancelled (no guard) but ran empty coaching stock from Euston to Preston, re-entering passenger service there. Although left there late as waiting for passengers being conveyed on the 11.27 Euston - Preston.
Whole timetable quite bizarre today, with Euston - Manchesters sitting in Birmingham New St for 30 minutes, others overtaking non-stop through New St, still others going via Stechford-Aston-Bescot.
 

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It looks like they've used diversions to bolster services to Birmingham a bit, albeit at a disadvantage to Manchester passengers,
 

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Maybe there aren't enough staff who have route knowledge via Birmingham hence the cancellations?
 

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1640 from Glasgow to Euston was cancelled when I was in Central station earlier. The sign said that everyone should take the 1740 - surely that would end up being crazy busy?
 

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The 11.12 Euston - Glasgow was cancelled (no guard) but ran empty coaching stock from Euston to Preston, re-entering passenger service there. Although left there late as waiting for passengers being conveyed on the 11.27 Euston - Preston.
Whole timetable quite bizarre today, with Euston - Manchesters sitting in Birmingham New St for 30 minutes, others overtaking non-stop through New St, still others going via Stechford-Aston-Bescot.

It looks like they've used diversions to bolster services to Birmingham a bit, albeit at a disadvantage to Manchester passengers,
Trent Valley is shut for 4 weekends (2 x 54 hour, 2 x 29 hour) This wont be the only weekend you see this.
 

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10:38, 11:35 and 12:35 from GLC all cancelled

Avanti have ran an extra Glasgow to Edinburgh service to allow passengers to join trains there.
 

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I was on the 09:51 Euston to Glasgow this morning, full and standing leaving Watford Junction.
 

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I’ve got no faith in there being a restored timetable anytime soon. I think we are really going to see more cuts.

I know it’s not Avantis fault but it really is shameful. LNER seem to be coping fine though
 

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I’ve got no faith in there being a restored timetable anytime soon. I think we are really going to see more cuts.

I know it’s not Avantis fault but it really is shameful. LNER seem to be coping fine though
Wouldn't be surprised if we end up 1tp2h by September, hopefully not though
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if we end up 1tp2h by September, hopefully not though

I can see it getting worse for the next week or two (possibly down to no service at all) but once "pingees" don't have to self isolate if double jabbed I think it will get better. I don't believe all staff are as lacking in moral fibre as to still isolate even if they had the alternative option, particularly as isolation means no shopping, no socialising etc too, and if a member of staff was to be found out as having skived off work but still had their normal life then that would be pretty clear gross misconduct and probably result in the sack.
 

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This all seems to have happened at the wrong time. But how come Avanti seem to be worse off than the likes of LNER.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if we end up 1tp2h by September, hopefully not though

The current Avanti timetable is as low as it can go, realistically. Next step is no service AIUI.


This all seems to have happened at the wrong time. But how come Avanti seem to be worse off than the likes of LNER.

LNER are very well resourced, as they were gearing up for service expansion, and therefore have more spare capacity in traincrew resource. They also have more efficient rostering terms and conditions, and AIUI a lower proportion of traincrew affected by the ‘pingdemic’
 

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The current Avanti timetable is as low as it can go, realistically. Next step is no service AIUI.




LNER are very well resourced, as they were gearing up for service expansion, and therefore have more spare capacity in traincrew resource. They also have more efficient rostering terms and conditions, and AIUI a lower proportion of traincrew affected by the ‘pingdemic’
Ah right, thanks for explaining to me.

Although this isn't really Avanti's fault, I can't help but think that their reputation might be slightly diminished by this. We know what passengers can be like in that effect.
 

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Yes well things should improve from the 16th and be almost fine by the 26th as that will be 10 days since they would have last had to isolate
 

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Seeing tweets of trains full and standing and people needing to switch services as theirs were terminated early :/
 

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Yes well things should improve from the 16th and be almost fine by the 26th as that will be 10 days since they would have last had to isolate
Relatively speaking of course. We shall still have the reduced base timetable introduced in May until December.
 

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Relatively speaking of course. We shall still have the reduced base timetable introduced in May until December.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if it changed, the current timetable shows a significant increase in service frequencies from 13 September.
 

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Although I wouldn't be surprised if it changed, the current timetable shows a significant increase in service frequencies from 13 September.
It was originally to return to the full timetable then, but looking at RTT now, there are still plenty of trains culled after that weekend until December (such as most of the direct North Wales and many Chester services).
 

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I’ve got no faith in there being a restored timetable anytime soon. I think we are really going to see more cuts.

I know it’s not Avantis fault but it really is shameful. LNER seem to be coping fine though
Worried if its permanent . Same with XC and TPE at Glasgow Central.
 

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LNER are very well resourced, as they were gearing up for service expansion, and therefore have more spare capacity in traincrew resource. They also have more efficient rostering terms and conditions, and AIUI a lower proportion of traincrew affected by the ‘pingdemic’
GBR really need to a grip of rostering and T&C's when we have Avanti in a poor state but LNER not impacted and even GWR IC services have only a few short term reductions. Then we have GTR having to reduce yet SE and GA are in good shape. Cases have actually been worst in the NE over the last month but not causing crew shortages up there so why do we have such high levels of pinging in certain areas.
 

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GBR really need to a grip of rostering and T&C's when we have Avanti in a poor state but LNER not impacted and even GWR IC services have only a few short term reductions. Then we have GTR having to reduce yet SE and GA are in good shape. Cases have actually been worst in the NE over the last month but not causing crew shortages up there so why do we have such high levels of pinging in certain areas.

1) GBR is currently about 6 people, and this is not a priority for them.

2) getting a grip of rostering and Ts & Cs is a big subject and one that will take time (and no doubt be painful).

3) the current issue is worse for TOCs that were already under strain for other reasons, either because of existing resource gaps or big training programmes. Avanti and GTR have been in the ‘forum headlines’ because that is where most people have noticed, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening elsewhere - it is.
 

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1) GBR is currently about 6 people, and this is not a priority for them.

2) getting a grip of rostering and Ts & Cs is a big subject and one that will take time (and no doubt be painful).

3) the current issue is worse for TOCs that were already under strain for other reasons, either because of existing resource gaps or big training programmes. Avanti and GTR have been in the ‘forum headlines’ because that is where most people have noticed, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t happening elsewhere - it is.
Yeah i should made clearer that this is the sort of issue the GBR needs to get to grips with over the fulness of time. However, as you point out it will be painful so whilst traffic is low seems a great time to tackle it and use the TOCs as a proxy so GBR can concentrate on rebuilding the industry.
 

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GBR really need to a grip of rostering and T&C's when we have Avanti in a poor state but LNER not impacted and even GWR IC services have only a few short term reductions. Then we have GTR having to reduce yet SE and GA are in good shape. Cases have actually been worst in the NE over the last month but not causing crew shortages up there so why do we have such high levels of pinging in certain areas.
What makes you think that it's Rostering and T&C's that are to blame?
 

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What makes you think that it's Rostering and T&C's that are to blame?
@Bald Rick post 104 above made the comment

LNER are very well resourced, as they were gearing up for service expansion, and therefore have more spare capacity in traincrew resource. They also have more efficient rostering terms and conditions, and AIUI a lower proportion of traincrew affected by the ‘pingdemic’
 
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