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fgwrich said:
Looking at the dirt along the bottom of it, I would say that's just the "transition" livery as painted by Virgin (but without their Flowing Silk livery). The doors were painted a rather dark flat grey which seem to look almost blue ish in some photos, green is in others, and grey.

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I’m probably dreaming here but one would hope that awful looking front end is given some TLC whilst at Ilford.
 
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Liverpool 507 said:
I’m probably dreaming here but one would hope that awful looking front end is given some TLC whilst at Ilford.
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I know it’s been discussed before but is there a reason the Avanti text has been covered by yellow tape on the front?
 
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I know it’s been discussed before but is there a reason the Avanti text has been covered by yellow tape on the front?
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I think that is where the Virgin badge is located. Perhaps they botched the job of removing it or it is being taped over until refurbishment when it will be removed as with XC's sets.
 
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Here is a list of trains with Avanti branding and interior (Nameplates included)

Correct as of 2nd August 2020

221101 Neutral white, blank, Avanti logos
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: 101 Squadron
Refurbished Interior

221102 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: John Cabot

221103 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Christopher Columbus

221104 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir John Franklin

221105 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: William Baffin

221106 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Willem Barents
Currently at Ilford for Refurbishment

221107 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Marten Frobisher

221108 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Ernest Shackleton

221109 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Marco Polo

221110 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: James Cook

221111 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Roald Amundsen

221112 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Ferdinand Magellan

221113 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Walter Raleigh

221114 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Royal Airforce Centenary: 1918-2018

221115 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Polmadie Depot

221116 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: City of Bangor/Dinas Bangor

221117 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: The Wrekin Giant

221118 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded

221142 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Bombardier Voyager

221143 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Auguste Pickard

390001 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Bee Together

390002 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Stephen Sutton

390005 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Wolverhampton

390006 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Rethink Mental Illness

390008 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Charles Rennie Mackintosh

390009 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Treaty of Union

390010 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Cumbrian Spirit

390011 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Lichfield

390012 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390013 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390016 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390020 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390039 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Lady Godiva

390040 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390042 Avanti facemask livery, to support the wearing of face coverings on public transport, Avanti logos

390043 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390044 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390045 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390046 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390047 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390049 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390050 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands

390103 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390104 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Alstom Pendolino

390107 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390114 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Manchester

390115 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Crewe - All Change

390117 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Blue Peter

390118 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390119 Avanti Pride
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Unknown Soldier

390121 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390122 Avanti facemask livery, to support the wearing of face coverings on public transport, Avanti logos
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Penny the Pendolino

390123 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390124 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390125 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390126 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390127 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390128 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
No Window Bands (?)
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Preston

390129 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Stoke-on-Trent

390130 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Edinburgh

390131 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Liverpool

390132 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Birmingham

390134 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Carlisle

390135 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Lancaster

390136 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Coventry

390137 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390138 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of London

390141 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Chester

390148 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Flying Scouseman

390151 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390152 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390153 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390154 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390155 Avanti West Coast Turquoise/Orange

390156 Avanti West Coast Turquoise/Orange
Cabside Avanti nameplate, vinyl: Pride and Prosperity

390157 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Chad Varah

Currently the percentage of Avanti Branded Pendolinos is: 41.1%
And Voyagers: 5%

If anyone has any newly rebranded trains, don't hesitate to let me know and I will update the list
 
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Avanti are doing rather well considering for a while there were only 2 branded pendolinos. Given how quickly it is going it won't be long until all the pendolinos have been branded, even if it is only the end cars.
 
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There's also another 221 that went down to Ilford the other night. Not sure on the number though
 
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Chiltern006 said:
Here is a list of trains with Avanti branding and interior (Nameplates included)

Correct as of 2nd August 2020

221101 Neutral white, blank, Avanti logos
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: 101 Squadron
Currently at Ilford for refurbishment

221102 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: John Cabot

221103 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Christopher Columbus

221104 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir John Franklin

221105 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: William Baffin

221106 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Willem Barents

221107 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Marten Frobisher

221108 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Ernest Shackleton

221109 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Marco Polo

221110 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: James Cook

221111 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Roald Amundsen

221112 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Ferdinand Magellan

221113 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Sir Walter Raleigh

221114 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Royal Airforce Centenary: 1918-2018

221115 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Polmadie Depot

221116 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: City of Bangor/Dinas Bangor

221117 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: The Wrekin Giant

221118 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded

221142 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Bombardier Voyager

221143 Virgin Challenger Red/Silver, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, metal: Auguste Pickard

390001 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Bee Together

390002 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Stephen Sutton

390005 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Wolverhampton

390006 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Rethink Mental Illness

390008 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Charles Rennie Mackintosh

390009 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Treaty of Union

390010 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Cumbrian Spirit

390011 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Lichfield

390012 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390013 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390016 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390020 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390039 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Lady Godiva

390040 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390042 Avanti facemask livery, to support the wearing of face coverings on public transport, Avanti logos

390043 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390044 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390045 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390046 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390047 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390049 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390050 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
No Window Bands

390103 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390104 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Alstom Pendolino

390107 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390114 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Manchester

390115 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Crewe - All Change

390117 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Blue Peter

390118 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390119 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Unknown Soldier

390121 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390122 Avanti facemask livery, to support the wearing of face coverings on public transport, Avanti logos
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Penny the Pendolino

390123 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390124 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390125 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390126 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390127 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390128 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
No Window Bands (?)
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Preston

390129 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Stoke-on-Trent

390130 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Edinburgh

390131 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Liverpool

390132 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Birmingham

390134 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Carlisle

390135 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Lancaster

390136 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Coventry

390137 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390138 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of London

390141 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: City of Chester

390148 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Flying Scouseman

390151 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390152 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390153 Avanti West Coast Cab ends, middle carriages unbranded

390154 Neutral white, blank, unbranded

390155 Avanti West Coast Turquoise/Orange

390156 Avanti West Coast Turquoise/Orange
Cabside Avanti nameplate, vinyl: Pride and Prosperity

390157 Neutral white, blank, unbranded
Central Virgin nameplate, vinyl: Chad Varah

Currently the percentage of Avanti Branded Pendolinos is: 41.1%
And Voyagers: 5%

If anyone has any newly rebranded trains, don't hesitate to let me know and I will update the list
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I believe 123 has AWC ends.
 
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Is there any news on if 221101 is due to head back from Ilford today?
 
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XCTurbostar said:
From the images I have seen, the full yellow front including cab window sides has been restored with the unit still completely white.
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Thats correct. It looks like the yellow ends have been repainted/cleaned and had Avanti logos reapplied but the white body side hasn't been touched (still dirty from before). Hopefully it'll have the Avanti ends added like the 390s at a later date.
 
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First refurbished 221 back in service, with interior pic:
http://news.railcam.uk/index.php/20...t-refreshed-super-voyager-returns-to-service/

Avanti West Coast – First refreshed Super Voyager returns to service!
Super-Voyager-221101-Crewe-scaled.jpg

The first pictures of Avanti West Coast Super Voyager 221101 have been released after its return to service.
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Standard class interior of set 221101 after it’s refresh
The refresh was the first in an £8.3m deal which was signed with Bombardier last year.
We reported on the plans in July and the full details can be seen here.
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Super Voyager 221101 cab with it’s Avanti West Coast branding
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Does look good but I hope they replace the dot matrix reservation screens in the pendolinos with the more modern ones used in the 800s, the coloured lights on them would make it easier to find an unreserved seat. I wouldn't bother doing it on the super voyagers yet as they will leave Avanti in 2 years.
 
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Energy said:
Does look good but I hope they replace the dot matrix reservation screens in the pendolinos with the more modern ones used in the 800s, the coloured lights on them would make it easier to find an unreserved seat. I wouldn't bother doing it on the super voyagers yet as they will leave Avanti in 2 years.
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There is an important, but silly, flaw with that system. For some reason the designers saw fit to put all the coloured lights in the same place, so it's entirely inaccessible to those who are colourblind.

No more installations of that system should be made until a tweak has been made to solve this issue, in my opinion.
 
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py_megapixel said:
There is an important, but silly, flaw with that system. For some reason the designers saw fit to put all the coloured lights in the same place, so it's entirely inaccessible to those who are colourblind.

No more installations of that system should be made until a tweak has been made to solve this issue, in my opinion.
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They should fix that problem but I'm not sure how, when you are quite far away it isn't going to be easy to tell if a seat is unreserved if the LEDs are only 1-2cm away from each other.
 
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py_megapixel said:
There is an important, but silly, flaw with that system. For some reason the designers saw fit to put all the coloured lights in the same place, so it's entirely inaccessible to those who are colourblind.

No more installations of that system should be made until a tweak has been made to solve this issue, in my opinion.
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It strikes me that there isn't much in the way of space to put them in different places however, certainly not in a way that would enable a colour blind person to distinguish them at a glance - which is the main purpose of the system! The screen (arguably the main feature of the reservation display) still provides the same information as the lights, just in a more involved way.
 
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Domh245 said:
It strikes me that there isn't much in the way of space to put them in different places however, certainly not in a way that would enable a colour blind person to distinguish them at a glance - which is the main purpose of the system! The screen (arguably the main feature of the reservation display) still provides the same information as the lights, just in a more involved way.
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To be honest there isn't an immediate solution which will be effective when far away. May as well just have people read the screen if they can't tell the colours apart, unfortunate but currently everyone has always read the screen on pendolinos and voyagers to find an unreserved seat.
 
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ScottGallagher said:
Thats quite pleasant actually .Under the circumstances is there a chance the Pendolinos will now just get the same treatment?
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I believe a contract has been signed for the refurbishment of the Pendolinos. I suspect a notice to proceed was issued under that contract and if so AWC could not get out of it without incurring penalties to the contractor. On that basis, I don’t think they will stop the existing scope of refurb is my guess.
 
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I quite like to the look of them, I wonder if they smell any better, with new seated upholstery and floors.

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I believe a contract has been signed for the refurbishment of the Pendolinos. I suspect a notice to proceed was issued under that contract and if so AWC could not get out of it without incurring penalties to the contractor. On that basis, I don’t think they will stop the existing scope of refurb is my guess.
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Last I heard, the new seating for standard has been approved and I guess the manufacturer has made a tool for them so I guess no going back.
 
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