LancasterRed
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Lancaster is nearly done, just the larger signage to go.
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Avanti West Coast rebrand
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Do you mean what's known as the Cant Rail?
Good to see Virgin Trains still exists on the fares system ... Ironically when printed the ticket showed as routing ‘Avanti’ ...
Otherwise livery to me looks a little dull frankly - looks too over designed and bar the cab ends just looks a mess of colour as you go along (much like LNWRs 350/3s). Something to be said about a basic livery with minimal but quality branding even if this is generally white.
Otherwise livery to me looks a little dull frankly - looks too over designed and bar the cab ends just looks a mess of colour as you go along (much like LNWRs 350/3s). Something to be said about a basic livery with minimal but quality branding even if this is generally white.
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Merle Haggard
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The yellow stripe to denote 1st (and red for buffet) is a UIC (=union of international railways, in French) requirement. Presumably, Virgin, Govia etc. didn't join the UIC (prob. cost money) but the TOCs owned at least partly by the state railways of mainland Europe always seem to use the yellow stripe eg it's adoption by LNwR (Abellio = NS) when LM didn't use it; XC (DB); and now Avanti (FS). It's a pity that modern train design generally has very angled cantrails so the band is hard to see against reflections.
It took me a while to realise how VTEC indicated 1st, but it was probably a better way. Stagecoach EM used dots instead of a band, of course, which is just perverse, IMO.
It took me a while to realise how VTEC indicated 1st, but it was probably a better way. Stagecoach EM used dots instead of a band, of course, which is just perverse, IMO.
AlterEgo
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That's orange and it's a cant rail as required under railway standards.
pdeaves
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No, between the front cab window and the cant rail stripe is a yellow strip. Hard to tell, but look closely at the last image on post 108.
Bletchleyite
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I hope you don't mean what looks like a thin stripe above the drivers front window?
pdeaves
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Yes there is. Not the side window, the front window. This pic copied from post 108.No, there isn't:
Side view of Class 390 end coach in Avanti livery
Grumpy Git
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Oh, so you do mean this one. A bit tough for a passenger to spot don't you think?
Not quite so obvious as this (courtesy of Wikipedia):
I think anything is possible now we know passengers can mistake an A on a logo near solebar level with a coach designation.
pdeaves
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I was not commenting on ease of use, simply the fact that an indication was there (like yellow coupler covers on XC Voyagers).Oh, so you do mean this one. A bit tough for a passenger to spot don't you think?
Not quite so obvious as this (courtesy of Wikipedia):
Grumpy Git
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Why do you assume everyone is as "switched-on" about railway culture as yourself?
I can't see any reason why "marketing" people think it's OK to brand stuff and cause confusion. I guess it's because ultimately they are as "stupid" as the passengers who cannot always understand signage?
So the first time you saw an Apple Store with the logo on it you thought it was a fruit store ?
Grumpy Git
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It was a complete apple until I took a bite out of it.
No, not the Orange cant rail, I mean't the thin yellow strip just above the cab window, just below the cant rail.
Cheeky.
Grumpy Git
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With the number of posters all answering the same question without seemingly reading the most recent posts, I rest my case.
There’s even an Avanti dog bowl.
Ladder23
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nice to see the livery - what will happen to the voyagers I wonder
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DJH1971
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390155 was at Liverpool yesterday
Bletchleyite
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Oh, I see. Is that different at the other end, then? If so I suppose it's a bit like the Voyager yellow coupler at one end.
Agent_Squash
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And people said Virgin overbranded.
Bletchleyite
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They didn't. The Virgin logo was quite understated, really.
Avanti have the same branding more than once on each coach, which definitely is overbranded and looks really tacky. Typical First, with the (f) everywhere, really, similar to SWR - is it the same design house?
TT-ONR-NRN
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Indeed, the Avanti Pendolinos would look so good where it not for the TWO Avanti West Coast logos on the driving cars!
MK Tom
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Got a few photos of 390055 passing Bradwell yesterday:
https://mkttransportphoto.smugmug.com/2019/December-2019/UK-Rail-December-2019/i-QSbQzVv
I like the fact there's some colour on the intermediate carriages as well as the driving cars.
https://mkttransportphoto.smugmug.com/2019/December-2019/UK-Rail-December-2019/i-QSbQzVv
I like the fact there's some colour on the intermediate carriages as well as the driving cars.
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