Birmingham to rhyl by class 31 90's

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I have a memory of going to Rhyl by train as a child would been in 90's. I don't no if this was a regular working or special. I'm sure it was a class 31 in br green. Anyone have an info or am I miss remembering, they only person I could have asked is my late father.
 
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Not sure about 31s, but 37s certainly hauled North Wales coast services several times per day until at least 1997, possibly later.
 

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One was repainted in the early 90's in relation to the closure of Stratford Major. Doubt this ever made it to Wales though.
 

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Not sure about 31s, but 37s certainly hauled North Wales coast services several times per day until at least 1997, possibly later.
Class 31s and 37s shared North Wales Coast passenger workings at least until the early/mid 1990s.
 

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I had a few 31s on the line in 1994 and a few 37s too. The fleet of 31/4s were pretty much all in Regional Railways livery although I know that the occasional Dutch and General Grey one appeared on the line in those days (plus at various other locations in the north west and down to Birmingham).
Similarly the RR 37s were pretty much all in that livery too although 37403 was painted in BR green at some point and may have appeared on North Wales services?
Fairly unlikely 31110 or 31165 ran on the coast though I’d have thought and I’m not sure if they were even operable in 1995?
 

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I had a few 31s on the line in 1994 and a few 37s too. The fleet of 31/4s were pretty much all in Regional Railways livery although I know that the occasional Dutch and General Grey one appeared on the line in those days (plus at various other locations in the north west and down to Birmingham).
Similarly the RR 37s were pretty much all in that livery too although 37403 was painted in BR green at some point and may have appeared on North Wales services?
Fairly unlikely 31110 or 31165 ran on the coast though I’d have thought and I’m not sure if they were even operable in 1995?
There were quite a few BR Blue liveried 31/4s used on the North Wales Coast in the 90s and definitely Birmingham New Street to Holyhead
 

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There were quite a few BR Blue liveried 31/4s used on the North Wales Coast in the 90s and definitely Birmingham New Street to Holyhead

I meant to say that and forgot!
 

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There were quite a few BR Blue liveried 31/4s used on the North Wales Coast in the 90s and definitely Birmingham New Street to Holyhead
I remember a few working along the North Wales Coast in summer Saturdays in 1992, had a few blue ones (remember 31400 working) and a few triple grey ones (sure 31270 and 31276 both put in an appearance).
 

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I remember a few working along the North Wales Coast in summer Saturdays in 1992, had a few blue ones (remember 31400 working) and a few triple grey ones (sure 31270 and 31276 both put in an appearance).
Yes, especially when the 37/4s had issues with their bogies
 

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I had a few 31s on the line in 1994 and a few 37s too. The fleet of 31/4s were pretty much all in Regional Railways livery although I know that the occasional Dutch and General Grey one appeared on the line in those days (plus at various other locations in the north west and down to Birmingham).
Similarly the RR 37s were pretty much all in that livery too although 37403 was painted in BR green at some point and may have appeared on North Wales services?
Fairly unlikely 31110 or 31165 ran on the coast though I’d have thought and I’m not sure if they were even operable in 1995?
37403 definitely worked along the North Wales Coast
 

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37403 definitely worked along the North Wales Coast

Ah there you go.
I’d be curious to know what year that photo was taken? Some of the sets in operation around then contained coaches in the early BR version of chocolate and cream (obviously not from the 1950s, but not a bad representation), would anyone know why they were in that livery?
 

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Ah there you go.
I’d be curious to know what year that photo was taken? Some of the sets in operation around then contained coaches in the early BR version of chocolate and cream (obviously not from the 1950s, but not a bad representation), would anyone know why they were in that livery?
37403 would've moved from Motherwell to Crewe
 

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I’d have guessed probably the tail end of the 1990s, no idea about the mk1 liveries thought.

(I really like that Llandudno Junction shot from @Bevan Price)

Edit: Those Chocolate & Cream mk1s could be from a charter set that BR repainted in 1985 for the GW150 events back then?
 
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Interesting the 31s ran on the line that late; but I only used the North Wales coast line later in the 90s, notably in 1997 at which time Llandudno Junction was quite a centre for 'classic BR' traction, with 101s working the Blaenau Ffestiniog branch and Holyhead stoppers too. The 101s I do know were still running in 1999.

I think if I remember correctly the 37s lasted until the 175s were introduced, so perhaps until the year 2000? Around 1997 they were largely used on Crewe-Holyhead services rather than those originating from Manchester which were 158s.
 

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I’d have guessed probably the tail end of the 1990s, no idea about the mk1 liveries thought.

(I really like that Llandudno Junction shot from @Bevan Price)

Edit: Those Chocolate & Cream mk1s could be from a charter set that BR repainted in 1985 for the GW150 events back then?
Hi @Ash Bridge, from someone who was literally on the ground at the time, 37403 came down from Motherwell to cover for the pool of 37/4s working the North Wales Coast owing to 37421 discarding an equalising beam just before the summer timetable started in 1999.
Regarding the Chocolate and Cream stock, it’s nothing to do with GW150 I’m afraid, First North Western for a few years used to hire a rake of Mk1’s (that were Chocolate and Cream, possibly the ex Pilkington set) during the late 90’s early 2000’s from Riviera Trains at Crewe to strengthen the summer services (TBH I used to quite like them, they were a lot better looked after than the regular stock) hope this is of use to you.
 

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Hi @Ash Bridge, from someone who was literally on the ground at the time, 37403 came down from Motherwell to cover for the pool of 37/4s working the North Wales Coast owing to 37421 discarding an equalising beam just before the summer timetable started in 1999.
Regarding the Chocolate and Cream stock, it’s nothing to do with GW150 I’m afraid, First North Western for a few years used to hire a rake of Mk1’s during the late 90’s early 2000’s from Riviera Trains at Crewe to strengthen the summer services (TBH I used to quite like them, they were a lot better looked after than the regular stock) hope this is of use to you.
The North Wales Coast resembled a railtour with many 31/1s, 37/0s and refurbished 37s pressed into action when the 37/4s went into collapse due to the bogie issues
 

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The North Wales Coast resembled a railtour with many 31/1s, 37/0s and refurbished 37s pressed into action when the 37/4s went into collapse due to the bogie issues
Did any 31’s work during that time? I wouldn’t have thought any FNW drivers still signed for them at that time?
 

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Hi @Ash Bridge, from someone who was literally on the ground at the time, 37403 came down from Motherwell to cover for the pool of 37/4s working the North Wales Coast owing to 37421 discarding an equalising beam just before the summer timetable started in 1999.
Regarding the Chocolate and Cream stock, it’s nothing to do with GW150 I’m afraid, First North Western for a few years used to hire a rake of Mk1’s (that were Chocolate and Cream, possibly the ex Pilkington set) during the late 90’s early 2000’s from Riviera Trains at Crewe to strengthen the summer services (TBH I used to quite like them, they were a lot better looked after than the regular stock) hope this is of use to you.

Thanks for that very useful information @D6968, and welcome to the forum too. :)
 

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Hi @Ash Bridge, from someone who was literally on the ground at the time, 37403 came down from Motherwell to cover for the pool of 37/4s working the North Wales Coast owing to 37421 discarding an equalising beam just before the summer timetable started in 1999.
Regarding the Chocolate and Cream stock, it’s nothing to do with GW150 I’m afraid, First North Western for a few years used to hire a rake of Mk1’s (that were Chocolate and Cream, possibly the ex Pilkington set) during the late 90’s early 2000’s from Riviera Trains at Crewe to strengthen the summer services (TBH I used to quite like them, they were a lot better looked after than the regular stock) hope this is of use to you.
Hi @D6968 I really have to second @Cowley also many thanks for correcting my duff info regarding the mk1s!

A big welcome to the forum too :)
 

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I remember a few working along the North Wales Coast in summer Saturdays in 1992, had a few blue ones (remember 31400 working) and a few triple grey ones (sure 31270 and 31276 both put in an appearance).
I'm sure I saw grey bodied 31s passing through Prestatyn back in the early 90s.
 

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