Where is the change from what has been the case for the last seven weeks with this - we were previously told to work from home where possible, but travelling to work if you can’t work from home was always allowed.
This has puzzled the media too.
Where is the change from what has been the case for the last seven weeks with this - we were previously told to work from home where possible, but travelling to work if you can’t work from home was always allowed.
The post refers to Millennials wanting 'lockdown' because they as a group have comfortable homes, and they as a group aren't suffering from from the negative effects of it as much as other generations. This by definition suggests a majority and generally the choice of implies sort of 90% plus. Trust you to bring up minority counter-examples just so you can be contrary, despite my point being clear enough.
The idea that 'milennials' aren't suffering the negative effects of the lockdown as much as older generations is crazy. I also know exactly where Millennials fit, because I'm too young to be one.
The post refers to Millennials wanting 'lockdown' because they as a group have comfortable homes, and they as a group aren't suffering from from the negative effects of it as much as other generations. This by definition suggests a majority and generally the choice of implies sort of 90% plus. Trust you to bring up minority counter-examples just so you can be contrary, despite my point being clear enough.
The idea that 'milennials' aren't suffering the negative effects of the lockdown as much as older generations is crazy. I also know exactly where Millennials fit, because I'm too young to be one.
The post refers to Millennials wanting 'lockdown' because they as a group have comfortable homes, and they as a group aren't suffering from from the negative effects of it as much as other generations. This by definition suggests a majority and generally the choice of implies sort of 90% plus. Trust you to bring up minority counter-examples just so you can be contrary, despite my point being clear enough.
This is a pretty daft suggestion, designed to try to undermine her responses just because you don't like the idea of independence. She hasn't tried to use Covid-19 to make the case for independence, nor has she tried to point to the difference between the messages as a criticisms of English policymakers. Give it a rest. Or if you must, start an appropriate new thread.She’s not so good, however, at *listening* to the electorate, who voted convincingly to remain part of the UK
Not even with other children in their class?As discussed in other threads, they're not going to be passing the virus on anyway.
Not even with other children in their class?
No. I know. Who thinks it is?That's not the same as saying "most Millennials want the lockdown to continue", which isn't what anyone is saying.
I think you've just made all of that up from your hunch and what's in your Facebook feed. Do you have any evidence at all for that?What people are saying is basically "the people who want the lockdown to continue are mostly Millennials", and that I think contains some truth - it is my observation that it is mostly people in their late 20s and 30s and mostly female. And probably overridingly those who are coupled up, living in nice houses with gardens, and doing the "secondary" job to the household. And yes, I know many such people - including one case where the person doing the "secondary" job and calling for the lockdown to continue is the male, not the female.
Not even with other children in their class?
Nicola Sturgeon is very good at repeating the same line, delivering a clear and consistent statement of what she wants to do.
She’s not so good, however, at *listening* to the electorate, who voted convincingly to remain part of the UK
If there is even greater evidence of that then schools might open sooner than we think. Education is important, as is for children to develop social skillsPotentially not. There's now a fair bit of evidence that, in the main, young (primary age) kids neither get sick nor become asymptomatic spreaders.
I tend to agree with this , most of the people who I am exposed to who want lockdown to continue in perpetuity are middle aged people , mostly women .I think you've just made all of that up from your hunch and what's in your Facebook feed. Do you have any evidence at all for that?
I think you've just made all of that up from your hunch and what's in your Facebook feed. Do you have any evidence at all for that?
My local garden centre decided that they are opening this morning for some reason, is this really allowed as there wasn't really any specific mention?
I agree with much of this argument. Not because I’m in the same age group (I’m in the over-40 bracket).There's no way in a months time they can just sit there having not changed anything. The announcement tonight implied that they were willing to wait several months until it is 'safe' to head out, but I refuse to believe there's not at least one person observant enough on the government to realise the serious, serious economic damage this is causing and I can't see them sitting back and letting this happen whilst the future of this country dies away more literally as every day passes. We NEED to get this country moving again, and whilst I appreciate it's important to protect the vulnerable, the government picked the totally wrong approach to lockdown and instead of reasoning with the public tried to terrorise them inside their homes. If we don't do anything until June or July there'll be little to no economy left by the time we fully get out of this and it's my generation that is going to have to clean up this mess because we were too focused on protecting those who it wouldn't affect as badly. I appreciate my views can come across as a little blunt and selfish, and that's not my intention, of course every life lost in this pandemic is a tragedy and I want to prevent any unnecessary deaths if at all possible, but I refuse to watch my country die away simply because the public were too blinded by fear to get it moving again.
I tend to agree with this , most of the people who I am exposed to who want lockdown to continue in perpetuity are middle aged people , mostly women .
But im not going to come on the internet and assert that there is any basis for that observation to be stated as a trend . Because I know that anecdotal experience is fairly often atypical .
This is real hyperbole. It's also very unhelpful.
This isn't really true is it? There will have been a contraction of 30 - 35%, some of which will return and some of which won't. It's extremely shocking but it's not the end of the world if the government's recovery package is large enough. If people are still dying in corridors in hospitals however, it will be less likely that we'll make economic recovery. We've discussed this with you already.
That link quite literally says that Covid-19 has the potential to kill far more people than flu. We had a similar number of deaths in 'lockdown' as without against flu. That's a rather large difference.If you acknowledge that to be the case, then government needs to decide at what level of daily deaths do you lift restrictions?
I’m not saying any level of deaths is acceptable. But if you look at https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/ it can be seen that there were over 28,300 flu-related deaths in one of the recent winters. Now even if you stretch the definition of winter as being 6 months of the year, that equates to over 150 deaths per day, yet nobody would advocate lockdown for flu !
I was referring to the subset of millenials who do have these things.Millennials in nice houses with gardens? How out of touch are you?
I'm too young to be a millenial, I've noticed a lot between those ages and gen-X, who happen to be living in larger family units who are very pro lockdown.The post refers to Millennials wanting 'lockdown' because they as a group have comfortable homes, and they as a group aren't suffering from from the negative effects of it as much as other generations. This by definition suggests a majority and generally the choice of implies sort of 90% plus. Trust you to bring up minority counter-examples just so you can be contrary, despite my point being clear enough.
The idea that 'milennials' aren't suffering the negative effects of the lockdown as much as older generations is crazy. I also know exactly where Millennials fit, because I'm too young to be one.
Yeah, that was exactly the point I was trying to get across.Getting hung up on age ranges etc. is rather missing the point.
The main thrust of the post you quoted was correct. Those calling for long lockdown often live with families, in houses with gardens. It’s obviously going to be a lot easier for these people to sustain a long lockdown than single people living isolated in small flats.
Very telling divergence between Johnson and Nicola Sturgeon who appeared on Scottish screens immediately afterwards with 'Stay Home' emblazoned on displays behind her in case those north of the border were in any doubt of the local plan. That lack of unified UK messaging will become more evident over time.
People who are shielding have already got severe health problems and a long and prosperous life is a big ask - maybe they just want to avoid ending up in an ICU (as most of us do, but the risk is rather higher) and accept that means being at home 24/7. (Declaration of interest: my wife is in this situation, and we will potentially be in severe restrictions for months not weeks.)Shielding is done for a good reason as those who are shielding know they are doing it so they can live a long and prosperous life
The average is 17k, the highest was 28k, so is 11k higher in a season.But if you look at https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/ it can be seen that there were over 28,300 flu-related deaths in one of the recent winters. Now even if you stretch the definition of winter as being 6 months of the year, that equates to over 150 deaths per day, yet nobody would advocate lockdown for flu !
Strictly speaking the measures aren't actually being relaxed now in England in any way different to Scotland though are they? What's different is a) messaging ("Stay Alert" in place of "Stay Home") and, b) forward guidance.it is appropriate for England to relax the lockdown measures
Shielding is done for a good reason as those who are shielding know they are doing it so they can live a long and prosperous life
It'll be a lot tougher to convince the population that certain people can't go out simply because they either chose not to or in some cases can't afford a car.
I think there is a different between being comfortable in lockdown because of those or other factors and actually actively wanting it to continue in perpetuity as well though . I mean thinking about myself for example I live in a small flat with a 3ft by 5ft balcony and I live alone so looking in from the outside you might assume that I want this over with as quickly as possible because I dont have a garden or family , but actually im quite a resilient person so have not had any difficulty dealing with this so im not concerned about the prospect of it continuing . I think there are plenty of variables at play with why people feel the way they do about lockdown and people projecting anecdotes about who they are exposed to as a national picture is unhelpful .It’s common sense that it will be a more popular strategy amongst those who have access to outside space, and social contact with their families (although clearly that can be a double edged sword).
Wheras those I'm familiar with who are living with their parents in their childhood homes are far more unhappy than if they'd lived alone. Especially where they're trying to work full time, often from their bedrooms. So you have a hunch, I have counter-examples and Bletchleyite has gone to the trouble of consulting Facebook(!). So where does that leave us? I'd suggest: nowhere useful.I'm too young to be a millenial, I've noticed a lot between those ages and gen-X, who happen to be living in larger family units who are very pro lockdown.
Where is the change from what has been the case for the last seven weeks with this - we were previously told to work from home where possible, but travelling to work if you can’t work from home was always allowed.
They have next to no children in and reduced staff. Not all are even open. Of course "nothing much is happening".Nurseries aren’t socially distancing with the kids at the moment and nothing much is Happening because of it.