Brexit matters

[edwin_m]

Furthermore, there would be the question of the terms on which we would aim to rejoin. It seems unlikely that we would secure all the same opt-outs such as joining the Euro. And if this is a pre-condition of rejoining, any such referendum would almost certainly lead to a No vote.

Another illustration of how the folly of the Brexiters has caused irreversible damage to the UK.

 

[najaB]

It seems unlikely that we would secure all the same opt-outs such as joining the Euro.

The Czech Republic joined the EU in 2004 and is still 'working towards' using the Euro. There's zero chance that they will have 'completed the journey' any time soon.

In some not terrible Brexit-related news, it looks like Nissan Sunderland is safe for the near to mid term at least:

Nissan announces major UK electric car expansion

Though I am very curious how much these jobs are costing the UK taxpayer, as both sides are very reluctant to name a figure at the moment.

 

[jon0844]

Nissan ended up representing Brexit so significantly that the Government will probably give as much money as it can, for as long as it can, to keep it in Sunderland.

Whether the new jobs will be as skilled or well paid as the others remains to be seen.

 

[REVUpminster]

Nissan ended up representing Brexit so significantly that the Government will probably give as much money as it can, for as long as it can, to keep it in Sunderland.

Whether the new jobs will be as skilled or well paid as the others remains to be seen.

I would have said representing anti Brexit so significantly. Businessmen unlike EU bureaucrats are pragmatic and soon work things out.

 

[najaB]

Businessmen unlike EU bureaucrats are pragmatic and soon work things out.

They also have no loyalty to any specific country. If it was cheaper to move production to the EU they would have done so in a heartbeat. I suspect that some serious cash was bunged their way.

 

[REVUpminster]

They also have no loyalty to any specific country. If it was cheaper to move production to the EU they would have done so in a heartbeat. I suspect that some serious cash was bunged their way.

£100m. Not much in the scheme of things when it costs £40m to reopen Crediton to Okehampton to bring a bit of railway to a a rail forum.

 

[jon0844]

£100m. Not much in the scheme of things when it costs £40m to reopen Crediton to Okehampton to bring a bit of railway to a a rail forum.

Not too bad then. Just means the NHS gets only £250m extra next week.

 

[najaB]

£100m. Not much in the scheme of things when it costs £40m to reopen Crediton to Okehampton to bring a bit of railway to a a rail forum.

So about £60k per job. Sure, that sounds like good value for money.

 

[brad465]

Nissan ended up representing Brexit so significantly that the Government will probably give as much money as it can, for as long as it can, to keep it in Sunderland.

Whether the new jobs will be as skilled or well paid as the others remains to be seen.

Yes it can be described as the "Brexit poster boy", we already know May allowed them to get £80m in her tenure, I heard the Government now have disclosed giving £100m to support this latest investment; I wouldn't be surprised if more than that was and is given in future.

 

[Revilo]

Glad to see that London has now reclaimed its top trading status, from Amsterdam.

London has reclaimed its crown as Europe's largest share trading centre after it was dethroned by Amsterdam in the wake of Brexit.

London reclaims top trading status from Amsterdam

Surge in capital raisings and resumption of UK trading in Swiss stocks ends post-Brexit lull

www.ft.com

London reclaims top trading status from Amsterdam

 

[najaB]

Glad to see that London has now reclaimed its top trading status, from Amsterdam.

London reclaims top trading status from Amsterdam

Surge in capital raisings and resumption of UK trading in Swiss stocks ends post-Brexit lull

www.ft.com

You'll need to provide a quote, as that article is behind a paywall.

Edit: Found an article that's not protected. It's not exactly a robust return to the top:

The City reclaimed its place at the top of Europe’s largest share trading centre rankings last month for the first time since Brexit, muscling out Amsterdam from top spot.

£7.6bn (€8.9bn) of shares a day were traded on average at London venues in June, compared to £7.6bn (€8.8bn) for various Dutch venues, new data published by Cboe Europe revealed today.

Post-Brexit rebound: London muscles out Amsterdam to reclaim trading top spot - CityAM

The City reclaimed its place at the top of Europe’s largest share trading centre rankings last month for the first time since Brexit.

www.cityam.com

I thought we were supposed to be powering ahead by now, that sounds like a practical dead-heat.

 

[jon0844]

Brexit seems to be measured on the basis that things are at best the same as before, or otherwise not too much worse. All a price worth paying for the eventual benefits we'll see - one day (up to 50 years away according to some).

The biggest success is if something bad happens within the EU, which for some reason is what many spend time worrying about, rather than what's happening to us here.

 

[najaB]

The biggest success is if something bad happens within the EU, which for some reason is what many spend time worrying about, rather than what's happening to us here.

Like stalking an ex on social media...

 

[alex397]

Like stalking an ex on social media...

Exactly. It’s immature and selfish.

Surely it is in our interests for our neighbours to be successful, rather than cheering when they fail.

 

[Ianigsy]

The 'threat' to throw Hungary out of the EU is just the usual tactic of laying the worst possible scenario out on the table with no intention to actually follow through with it. If nothing else it gives the opposition in Hungary a rallying point.

Much as it was being said when the Greek financial crisis was at its worst that there was no mechanism for Greece to leave the euro and readopt the drachma without leaving the EU as well.

Once Covid is resolved and the flag waving is over, I suspect there will be a re-engagement on the basis of what works. The environmental argument means that it makes more sense to get our oranges from Spain rather than South Africa, and once we have a full summer of foreign travel ahead, people will want hassle free leisure travel.

 

[class ep-09]

Much as it was being said when the Greek financial crisis was at its worst that there was no mechanism for Greece to leave the euro and readopt the drachma without leaving the EU as well.

Once Covid is resolved and the flag waving is over, I suspect there will be a re-engagement on the basis of what works. The environmental argument means that it makes more sense to get our oranges from Spain rather than South Africa, and once we have a full summer of foreign travel ahead, people will want hassle free leisure travel.

Let’s not forget the beef and lamb .
Rather than from Down Under that is thousand mules away , we may prefer meat grown in Wales or Scotland.

Nothing agains Ozzies but to ship worse quality meat thousands miles away is not a good idea , while you can get it fresh from few houndred miles away at most.

 

[jon0844]

Let’s not forget the beef and lamb .
Rather than from Down Under that is thousand mules away , we may prefer meat grown in Wales or Scotland.

Nothing agains Ozzies but to ship worse quality meat thousands miles away is not a good idea , while you can get it fresh from few houndred miles away at most.

It's the changes in rules on packaging/labelling that is quite worrying. Not only will we do deals to throw our own farmers/fishermen under the bus, but we'll try and hide the origins of the cheaper imports if we possibly can.

Another Brexit benefit, but funnily enough only for those much higher up the food chain... Almost as if the people making money from Brexit will be the elites.

 

[najaB]

Almost as if the people making money from Brexit will be the elites.

Perish the thought. Brexit is going to help the little people who couldn't get jobs because all the immigrants were taking them, while scrounging around on our benefits.

 

[jon0844]

I don't think I'll ever understand how these EU citizens were able to both take our jobs AND sit around on benefits simultaneously.

You might begin to think that the problem was with the illegal immigrants sneaking into the UK in lorries and boats thanks to our pathetic protection of our borders, which we had 100% control of being outside the Schengen Area. A problem we do of course still have today, which rather shows how the problem was with the British Government all along.

Gradually it seems more and more likely that a lot of people actually didn't know what they were voting for.

 

[REVUpminster]

Let’s not forget the beef and lamb .
Rather than from Down Under that is thousand mules away , we may prefer meat grown in Wales or Scotland.

Nothing agains Ozzies but to ship worse quality meat thousands miles away is not a good idea , while you can get it fresh from few houndred miles away at most.

Why would Ozzie meat be worse quality? I don't see much French meat in our shops. Extinction Rebellion want us to eat less meat and dairy products; all that methane gas.

 

[class ep-09]

Why would Ozzie meat be worse quality? I don't see much French meat in our shops. Extinction Rebellion want us to eat less meat and dairy products; all that methane gas.

Is that a serious question or a joke ?

Two words : hormones and transportation come to mind. .

Also mass production of the magnitude you won’t comprehend .
AUS biggest farm is the size of Israel .

Would you prefer buy fresh stuff rather that weeks old ( that is how long it takes to ship stuff from AUS - just don’t tell me you want that meat to be send by plane )?

I always thought that “patriotic” brexiters would promote UK produce, but hey, BoJo was so desperate to sign any deal that he sold the farmers ( that voted for brexit lol).

 

[REVUpminster]

In the fifties we were weaned off coal culminating in the pit closures of the 80s. No one will argue for them back. Germany closes the biggest nuclear power station in Europe next year leaving them dependent on coal, lignite and Russian gas.

We in the UK are being weaned off gas for heating and petrol for cars at a much faster rate. 10 years instead of 50.

The government has begun the process of weaning us off meat which will lead to the biggest change in farming in this country; not trade deals over meat with Europe or anywhere else.

As for fresh food; New Zealand lamb was a staple food until we joined the EEC.

 

[bspahh]

Does anyone have some good recipes for turnips and sugar beet?

 

[jon0844]

Trumpers went ballistic when they thought Joe Biden was going to ban burgers and steaks, so I bet Brexiteers are going to be well happy about the prospect of becoming vegetarians.

 

[class ep-09]

In the fifties we were weaned off coal culminating in the pit closures of the 80s. No one will argue for them back. Germany closes the biggest nuclear power station in Europe next year leaving them dependent on coal, lignite and Russian gas.

We in the UK are being weaned off gas for heating and petrol for cars at a much faster rate. 10 years instead of 50.

The government has begun the process of weaning us off meat which will lead to the biggest change in farming in this country; not trade deals over meat with Europe or anywhere else.

As for fresh food; New Zealand lamb was a staple food until we joined the EEC.

Germany and UK have approx 40% of renewables in energy mix , so both of these are as much dependant on fossil fuels ( to lesser degree nuclear ) power.

In 2030 it is predicted that most of power in both countries will be renewable .

It is good to discourage eating to much of meat for health and environmental reasons, and just because New Zealand’s lamb / beef was on the tables in before UK joined EEC , does not mean it is good idea now .

 

[LSWR Cavalier]

The Guardian that Sir Keir is advocating buying goods and services in the UK instead of abroad, for example UK passports, no need to get those from France. Doubtless British potatoes are as good as foreign ones, too.

Very good.

 

[najaB]

The government has begun the process of weaning us off meat which will lead to the biggest change in farming in this country; not trade deals over meat with Europe or anywhere else.

They have done no such thing. Please don't post such blatant falsehoods. Thank you.

As for fresh food; New Zealand lamb was a staple food until we joined the EEC.

Frozen ≠ Fresh

 

[nlogax]

The government has begun the process of weaning us off meat which will lead to the biggest change in farming in this country; not trade deals over meat with Europe or anywhere else

You've made some daft utterances in this thread over time but this one takes the cake.

 

[Bald Rick]

I don't think I'll ever understand how these EU citizens were able to both take our jobs AND sit around on benefits simultaneously.

Schrodinger’s immigrants.

Does anyone have some good recipes for turnips

I seem to remember my namesake having a speciality of Turnip surprise.

 

[REVUpminster]

You've made some daft utterances in this thread over time but this one takes the cake.

So you don't think we have been weaned off coal and now gas and petrol. Government must be cleverer than you think.