If this country is serious about getting people out of cars, then it's going to have to be done sooner or later. Plenty of places / countries have proved it's possible...
Which is why I suggested "not valid to arrive" rather than "not valid to depart" as the majority of commuter stations will be gated and so the restriction can be (relatively) easily applied. It's unlikely that genuine tourists will want to be arriving into major cities in the morning peaks, but they may well want to leave them to get out into the countryside before too much of the day has gone.
You could add a discounted return journey for use on the first and last days (or the one immediately before / after) "only valid with rover ticket number....". Yes - inevitably any regional product has borders - hence the suggestion of large overlaps - but I'm assuming that the main intended market is the "two or three days out during my week's holiday" rather than track-bashers. I'm not quite sure what's so confusing about a ticket valid on all trains (and buses!) within a specified geographical area - many of the complicated quirks of the current products are often down to non-acceptance by certain operators (this rover is valid at both Wigan and Warrington, but you can't travel directly between the two because the only services are provided by an operator on which it is not valid).
Of course it is possible - all the bus companies need to get is an equitable re-imbursement rate for the acceptance of the tickets. The bus industry cannot carry on with pitiful rates of funding while the railways bathe in billions.
Problem would be people like me living in the suburbs of London. If I wanted to go anywhere not served by Southeastern then I'd want to arrive at a London terminal before crossing London and continuing on the other side.
What’s the definition of “arrive”? These sorts of restrictions refer to a specific train arriving at a specific destination. Applying it to a passenger would be conceptually new.
True. Though, you'd be no worse off than you would be under a "Not valid to depart" restriction.
If you always do what you've always done you'll always get what you've always got.
For me it would be crossing the gateline, in the same way that ticket barriers don't accept certain tickets until after 9:30am when heading to the platform.
Off peak day tickets into London from the Network area are currently generally valid for use on services arriving in London Terminals after 10am on weekdays so something similar could apply.
Yeah, I was thinking similar. Typically we have a couple of longer journeys (to/from wherever we're going) and then a bunch of day tickets. You'd probably want something where you'd specify a start & return date, it'd cover train travel for each of those days and the equivalent of a plusbus ticket for the duration. In an ideal world, you'd also have something like being able to travel up to 60mins away from the destination station by train.
If it's being used in a similar manner to a Britrail pass then (a) they tend to be used by solo travellers/couples rather than families; and (b) those travellers quite often will want to get the earliest/latest trains possible so that they can maximise their time actually experiencing places.
Exactly. It's not an enthusiast thing to want to travel early. Many people want to start off early so they can have a few hours in one place before perhaps moving on elsewhere for an overnight stay.
They do. With the maps showing the zones on all stations and tubes and most trains in the area. I know a lot of people who daren't venture beyond the tube network with a Travelcard.
Not in South London.
I'm not sure what that proves without knowing how long it took to negotiate between all the providers.South Downs Discovery Ticket - South Downs National Park
With a Discovery ticket, you’re free to explore everything the region has to offer by bus. Offering unlimited travel across the South Downs National Park and beyond in the South of England, the Discovery ticket is all you need to make the most of the amazing spaces and places the area has to...www.southdowns.gov.uk
I think we're largely talking about tourists in this thread.
South Downs Discovery Ticket - South Downs National Park
With a Discovery ticket, you’re free to explore everything the region has to offer by bus. Offering unlimited travel across the South Downs National Park and beyond in the South of England, the Discovery ticket is all you need to make the most of the amazing spaces and places the area has to...www.southdowns.gov.uk
Not in South London.
I think it proves that the south just gets on and does it. The north just grumbles about a conservative government and then expects London & South Eastern taxpayers to cough up more subsidy under brand names like powerhouse levelling up etc etc
Do you think tourists don't stay in South London and the surrounding counties for budget accommodation and then visit the city centre daily?
As I've said, without any details as to how long this took to agree, it shows nothing.
As a large proportion of those visiting London? No.
Indeed. While the inner and outer suburbs are bustling with life and activity, central London is still looking like a scene from 28 Days Later.
I can understand why they'd want some additional funding.
www.statista.com
Unfortunately I have to spend nearly 500 usd to read the statistics of a German company.I can understand why they'd want some additional funding.
UK transport spending per capita by region 2023 | Statista
In 2022/23, transport spending in London was 1,272 British pounds per capita, compared with just 361 pounds per head in the East Midlands, indicating a significant regional disparity in public spending on transport.
{linked graph shows annual spending per capita on transport of £903 for London, £486 for North East England, £412 for North West England and £276 for Yorkshire and the Humber}
Fortunate that I quoted them for you, then, but they're also quoted in this news article.
It's easy to miss such things when they're hidden by a massive chip on one's shoulder...
But unfortunately omitted the south east figures which show spending on a par with the north west.Fortunate that I quoted them for you, then, but they're also quoted in this news article.
Transport spending in north of England less per head than London
London's transport spending is two-and-a-half times more per head than the north's, figures show.www.bbc.co.uk
