Buckshaw Parkway Terminators

[Clip]

Can anyone shed any light on these and why they have them rather than going into preston. Seems an odd place to terminate a train on this line

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Can anyone shed any light on these and why they have them rather than going into preston. Seems an odd place to terminate a train on this line

How about avoiding additional conflicting movements at Euxton Junction? Or that Buckshaw is about the natural outer limit of Manchester Commuterland?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

NR also installed a new crossover east of Buckshaw for this very purpose.
Although I'm sure it was for recovery of service during perturbation rather than a feature of the timetable!

 

[RAPC]

How about avoiding additional conflicting movements at Euxton Junction? Or that Buckshaw is about the natural outer limit of Manchester Commuterland?

It is the first one. Leyland sees similar levels of passengers as Buckshaw (albeit some are for Liverpool too) heading to Manchester, so it isn't that part. Just a feature of this timetable to work around Euxton Junction challenges. Leyland services that previously would have been these Victoria stoppers, are now being covered by some of the Airport to Blackpool services via Wigan. (When they actually run that is)

 

[30907]

Isn't it to save a unit, as compared with running to Preston?

 

[Bletchleyite]

I bet the people of Buckshaw are quite happy to have an empty unit starting there...that's the reason that when commuting to London I always choose the Bletchley starter!

 

[Bovverboy]

I bet the people of Buckshaw are quite happy to have an empty unit starting there...that's the reason that when commuting to London I always choose the Bletchley starter!

Indeed. If I wanted to travel to London from Burnley (which is where I lived for many years) I would go via Manchester rather than Preston.

 

[Clip]

I bet the people of Buckshaw are quite happy to have an empty unit starting there...that's the reason that when commuting to London I always choose the Bletchley starter!

When i used it a couple of times this week and last it appeared that no one on the manchester bound platform was aware of it as they were not even going over the bridge to get on it.

wasnt aware of pathing issues at euxton

 

[Thomas6187]

The original idea was to run this service upto Preston using a 319. Using 2 sets you would have had a roughly 50 minute running time and 5 minute turnaround at Preston and Manchester Victoria. However, as the electrification work overran, it using a DMU it could only get to Buckshaw and back in the same timeframe.

 

[Clip]

The original idea was to run this service upto Preston using a 319. Using 2 sets you would have had a roughly 50 minute running time and 5 minute turnaround at Preston and Manchester Victoria. However, as the electrification work overran, it using a DMU it could only get to Buckshaw and back in the same timeframe.

Interesting thanks.

 

[Muenchener]

It is the first one. Leyland sees similar levels of passengers as Buckshaw (albeit some are for Liverpool too) heading to Manchester, so it isn't that part. Just a feature of this timetable to work around Euxton Junction challenges. Leyland services that previously would have been these Victoria stoppers, are now being covered by some of the Airport to Blackpool services via Wigan. (When they actually run that is)

As beneficial as the crossover doubtless is for movements to and from Manchester there is a downside. The number of northbound paths has reduced meaning that connections from PRE are at risk particularly in light of the number of cancelled northbound services post May 21st...

 

[geoffk]

When the line speeds are increased, will this service run through to Preston, calling at Leyland? Northbound trains stopping at Leyland are bunched into a 15-minute slot and all go to Blackpool.

 

[Senex]

When the line speeds are increased, will this service run through to Preston, calling at Leyland? Northbound trains stopping at Leyland are bunched into a 15-minute slot and all go to Blackpool.

Why have the line-speeds not been increased? They've had enough years to get the work done. Or is it that the civil engineering is all done but in the absence of the feeder working up to 100mph could be too much of a current-draw for the present power-supply?

 

[30907]

When the line speeds are increased, will this service run through to Preston, calling at Leyland? Northbound trains stopping at Leyland are bunched into a 15-minute slot and all go to Blackpool.

See post #9. It's a case of sufficient stock being available.

 

[darloscott]

They have a 6 min turn at Victoria currently, with 13 min turn at the Buckshaw end. The transit to Preston appears to be timetabled for 10 min with a 75mph unit, so effectively Buckshaw is as far as you can get out & back in 2 hours with a 75mph DMU. Once everything is re-timed to take account of an increased linespeed and faster EMUs they should be able to stretch to get Preston into 2 hours?

If you look at the current timings for 156s they're given 43 mins to complete Preston to Salford Crescent, 185s complete the same at 37 mins (albeit without a Buckshaw stop), you'd expect 319s to cover the same distance in around the same time? That's 12 mins shaved off a round trip and therefore giving you your time to get to Preston & back.

 

[Ianno87]

They have a 6 min turn at Victoria currently, with 13 min turn at the Buckshaw end. The transit to Preston appears to be timetabled for 10 min with a 75mph unit, so effectively Buckshaw is as far as you can get out & back in 2 hours with a 75mph DMU. Once everything is re-timed to take account of an increased linespeed and faster EMUs they should be able to stretch to get Preston into 2 hours?

If you look at the current timings for 156s they're given 43 mins to complete Preston to Salford Crescent, 185s complete the same at 37 mins (albeit without a Buckshaw stop), you'd expect 319s to cover the same distance in around the same time? That's 12 mins shaved off a round trip and therefore giving you your time to get to Preston & back.

It would be incredibly tight at best, no slack in the Preston turnround time, and assumed your slots over Euxton Jn and in the platforms at Preston married up *perfectly*. Summary = Very unlikely

Plus there won't be many places where a stopper can take advantage of 100mph running.