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London for me is Travelodge at Walthamstow, a B+B near Stratford International, or somewhere in the docklands; as you say well away from the centre, but accessible by tube or train. half the fun of London is travelling around the tube anyway! There looks a nice-looking and cheap hotel near Hemel Hempstead station which I need to try this winter.

But for London (and arriving from the North) Milton Keynes is my fave; Travelodge have two hotels near the station, and Premier Inn one, and using their own sites can get decent deals, three nights in PI in August for under £50/night and it's close to all the shops so breakfast on-site isn't necessary. There's also an Easyhotel but never tried those.
The Premier Inn at The Hyde Hendon regularly has quite low prices. Only downside is that it’s one of those fairly depressing office block type hotels in a somewhat bleak location on the Edgeware Road. There’s plenty of bus stops close by.
 
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London for me is Travelodge at Walthamstow, a B+B near Stratford International, or somewhere in the docklands; as you say well away from the centre, but accessible by tube or train. half the fun of London is travelling around the tube anyway!
Agreed. If you are prepared to stay somewhere even slightly out of the centre, but with a fast tube or rail connection, you can save a lot. Places like East Croydon, Wembley, Stratford have fast connections. I tried the PI at Croydon mentioned by the previous poster but found it disappointing (it feels tired, and the breakfast uninspiring, with my pet hate of rubbery scrambled eggs), my preferred option is the Travelodge just round the corner (a converted office block with massive rooms, and a much better and cheaper breakfast). However, there are plenty of other hotel choices in Croydon, and you can hop on a Thameslink train and be in Central London in 20 minutes. Likewise at Wembley you can hop on the Met and be at Euston in next to no time. Been a while since I last stayed in Stratford, but now with the Lizzy line you can be in Central London even faster.
 

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Agreed. If you are prepared to stay somewhere even slightly out of the centre, but with a fast tube or rail connection, you can save a lot. Places like East Croydon, Wembley, Stratford have fast connections. I tried the PI at Croydon mentioned by the previous poster but found it disappointing (it feels tired, and the breakfast uninspiring, with my pet hate of rubbery scrambled eggs), my preferred option is the Travelodge just round the corner (a converted office block with massive rooms, and a much better and cheaper breakfast). However, there are plenty of other hotel choices in Croydon, and you can hop on a Thameslink train and be in Central London in 20 minutes. Likewise at Wembley you can hop on the Met and be at Euston in next to no time. Been a while since I last stayed in Stratford, but now with the Lizzy line you can be in Central London even faster.
Croydon's a good shout for me as it gives both London, Hastings and Brighton variations for a day out depending on the weather; how close to East Croydon station is the Travelodge?
 

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Croydon's a good shout for me as it gives both London, Hastings and Brighton variations for a day out depending on the weather; how close to East Croydon station is the Travelodge?
I think I can walk it in about 5 minutes or so. The front entrance is on Wellesley Road, by the underpass, probably about a minute walk from the roundabout. There is a rear entrance that is much closer to the London-end footbridge back entrance to East Croydon station, but I doubt you would find it without knowing its there, but a doddle when leaving the hotel.
 

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I think I can walk it in about 5 minutes or so. The front entrance is on Wellesley Road, by the underpass, probably about a minute walk from the roundabout. There is a rear entrance that is much closer to the London-end footbridge back entrance to East Croydon station, but I doubt you would find it without knowing its there, but a doddle when leaving the hotel.
Thanks, think I'll try that beginning of August, bit complicated to work out which zone it's in but I make it Zone 5 with the tram zone getting in the way!
 

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This is the new Beefeater restaurant menu for hotel guests only. Vastly reduced drinks menu too.

Sorry for the low quality.

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Image is of a new menu given to hotel guests staying at Premier Inn. This is for a former Beefeater hotel but I think the menus will now be the same for all Premier Inn hotels.
 

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This is the new Beefeater restaurant menu for hotel guests only. Vastly reduced drinks menu too.

Sorry for the low quality.

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Image is of a new menu given to hotel guests staying at Premier Inn. This is for a former Beefeater hotel but I think the menus will now be the same for all Premier Inn hotels.
That certainly won’t encourage me to use the hotel restaurant.

My hotel stays these days are for leisure purposes, usually for a short break of between 3 and 7 nights. I like to eat a good breakfast in the morning which is a good start to the day. Having eaten a cooked breakfast, toast etc each morning and perhaps a snack around lunchtime or early afternoon, I want something a little more healthy early evening. I could not cope with a few days of cooked breakfasts followed by choices of burger, pizza, pasta, etc later in the day. I would want some meals with fresh vegetables or salad. The limited or even complete lack of fresh vegetables or salad in some of these chain hotel restaurants means that I eat elsewhere and don’t even consider them. The only salad option, as is so often the case, is just the standard caesar salad and it just becomes boring when there is no other choice. The advantage of staying in some independently run hotels is that they can have a good restaurant offering freshly cooked food of a higher standard. I would rather have a limited menu choice of good quality food than a wide choice of different burgers and pizzas.
 

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Had this menu emailed to me last night actually as although my marketing preferences for most places are to not send me many, many thousands of unnecessary emails per month. I do still allow the filter to send me occasional more important communications and one of the Premier insights I used to use with some regularity is losing its restaurant imminently so they decided to email me about it. Their system analytics clearly hasn't quite caught up with the fact that since moving house nearly 18 months ago, I haven't stayed at that location at all and am not likely to again as a result of the aforementioned house move. That menu is as expected by and large, the people who are going to need it most, business travellers or others on fixed cost options due to expenses and budgets are well catered for as is anyone with a fairly low ambition rate in terms of gastronomic enjoyment. The reduction in what's available on the bar and perhaps more horrifying to me, but then perhaps that says something about where I am in life at the moment
 

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I assume they've ditched the fixed rate meal deal, which was always great value because it had few restrictions on what you could order.

I took advantage of that many times. Now it's less choice, higher prices, and potentially when they relocate the restaurants into the hotel the food prep will change and it will be more like Wetherspoons.
 

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That certainly won’t encourage me to use the hotel restaurant.

My hotel stays these days are for leisure purposes, usually for a short break of between 3 and 7 nights. I like to eat a good breakfast in the morning which is a good start to the day. Having eaten a cooked breakfast, toast etc each morning and perhaps a snack around lunchtime or early afternoon, I want something a little more healthy early evening. I could not cope with a few days of cooked breakfasts followed by choices of burger, pizza, pasta, etc later in the day. I would want some meals with fresh vegetables or salad. The limited or even complete lack of fresh vegetables or salad in some of these chain hotel restaurants means that I eat elsewhere and don’t even consider them. The only salad option, as is so often the case, is just the standard caesar salad and it just becomes boring when there is no other choice. The advantage of staying in some independently run hotels is that they can have a good restaurant offering freshly cooked food of a higher standard. I would rather have a limited menu choice of good quality food than a wide choice of different burgers and pizzas.
I understand your thinking, but it's never going to work in a place like a PI.

The menu pictured can be delivered by 1-2 people in a very small kitchen with a fryer, a couple of microwaves, a couple of George Foreman things and a small pizza oven. At a push they could keep half the menu running with a lightly trained receptionist. The main thing that would stop you from getting exactly the same thing in a pub round the corner is that the pub round the corner won't be any cheaper.
 

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I assume they've ditched the fixed rate meal deal, which was always great value because it had few restrictions on what you could order.

I took advantage of that many times. Now it's less choice, higher prices, and potentially when they relocate the restaurants into the hotel the food prep will change and it will be more like Wetherspoons.
Meal deal is staying. I think from what I've had sent to me in various updates, but I share your concerns on the food prep. Although again, a question put to them suggests that they are committed to continuing to cook as much from fresh as possible
 

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I understand your thinking, but it's never going to work in a place like a PI.

The menu pictured can be delivered by 1-2 people in a very small kitchen with a fryer, a couple of microwaves, a couple of George Foreman things and a small pizza oven. At a push they could keep half the menu running with a lightly trained receptionist. The main thing that would stop you from getting exactly the same thing in a pub round the corner is that the pub round the corner won't be any cheaper.
I completely understand and agree with you.
That‘s why I try not to stay at out of town hotels near retail parks or motorway junctions. If staying in somewhere like a Premier Inn which only does this type of easy cook food I will have a walk out and find somewhere better to eat. I would always try to stay in a location where there is a good selection of eating places close by.
 

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This is the new Beefeater restaurant menu for hotel guests only. Vastly reduced drinks menu too.

Sorry for the low quality.

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Image is of a new menu given to hotel guests staying at Premier Inn. This is for a former Beefeater hotel but I think the menus will now be the same for all Premier Inn hotels.

If it's any vague consolation I had the chicken katsu last night and it was ok. Not quite up to Wagumama standard but it filled a hole and the service was pretty prompt.
 

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Meal deal is staying. I think from what I've had sent to me in various updates, but I share your concerns on the food prep. Although again, a question put to them suggests that they are committed to continuing to cook as much from fresh as possible

I suppose if they still do a fixed rate meal deal, that's not as bad as I feared.
 

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I tried the PI at Croydon mentioned by the previous poster but found it disappointing (it feels tired
It's getting on for 15 years old now, and last time I was there it was really showing it; not so much the bedrooms but definitely the public areas. Apparently they're refurbishing it; there's a noise warning when you try to book.

The menu pictured can be delivered by 1-2 people in a very small kitchen with a fryer, a couple of microwaves, a couple of George Foreman things and a small pizza oven. At a push they could keep half the menu running with a lightly trained receptionist.
And that's the plan. Whitbread are making 1,500 people redundant across their restaurant estate. Despite making £500M profit last year they need to push through efficiency measures.
 

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And that's the plan. Whitbread are making 1,500 people redundant across their restaurant estate. Despite making £500M profit last year they need to push through efficiency measures.
Unfortunately the guiding direction for large established companies appears to be to act like they are in crisis even when they aren't. If they don't do that then Private Equity will appear, take them private and make them act like they're actually going bankrupt.
 

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And that's the plan. Whitbread are making 1,500 people redundant across their restaurant estate. Despite making £500M profit last year they need to push through efficiency measures.

The quest for never-ending growth. Always ends in disaster. For some.

Race to the bottom, call in administrators, asset strip, pay consultants nice fees, golden parachutes for bosses, new people come in and pick up the pieces, repeat.

Unfortunately the guiding direction for large established companies appears to be to act like they are in crisis even when they aren't. If they don't do that then Private Equity will appear, take them private and make them act like they're actually going bankrupt.

This. Keep an eye on many other restaurant chains, Morrisons, Asda and so on.
 

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I've found that they've got greedy both across the restaurant and the hotel estate since the pandemic. Yes, by all means Claire back the losses, but I think they suddenly realised what a good thing they'd hit on and jacked the prices up and what we're now seeing is possibly the very top of a potentially long slippery slope. That said, it's nice that they are acknowledging that a large chunk of their investment of the 2010s era now needs a bit of TLC, this is where Travelodge have come unstuck numerous times, they get excited about the shiny mew toys that they build and buy but then fail to invest in maintenance and upkeep often at the most basic level and within a time frame which depends on the local conditions. They're left with a hotel that's got about as much appeal as A weekend in a public car park with a dirty public convenience for company
 

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If they don't do that then Private Equity will appear, take them private and make them act like they're actually going bankrupt.
Fixed that for you!

I can see their point for some venues, though, the types of places where you’d only ever eat if you were staying there. The Beefeater attached to the Premier Inn at South Kenton springs to mind.
 

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This is the new Beefeater restaurant menu for hotel guests only. Vastly reduced drinks menu too.

Sorry for the low quality.

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Image is of a new menu given to hotel guests staying at Premier Inn. This is for a former Beefeater hotel but I think the menus will now be the same for all Premier Inn hotels.
For a hotel I think that menu is perfectly fine. I think that is basically the same as what they’ve always offered in their “thyme” in house restaurants
 

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Sounds like the Table Table restaurant in Salisbury alongside the ancient Premier Inn (Hampden Park) has also been a victim to the Whitbread cuts. Not sure if it's going to get converted to more hotel rooms as an annex to that ancient hotel or if Premier Inn/Whitbread will knock both the restaurant building (as it's an unusual shape) & the ancient hotel down to rebuild as a more modern hotel site, similar to the newer PI on Southampton Road.

Bit of a shame as I've used that restaurant a few times when coming back from weekend trips with the car at Salisbury station as a Sunday evening treat.
 

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Are there many standalone Beefeater restaurants (and the other Whitbread brands)? Harvester restaurants seem to be disappearing also, and I am not sure how Toby carveries are doing.

All these places were extremely popular for families and in particular for Sunday roasts, but now it seems they're just not considered profitable. It's odd too as there's a lot of profit on food compared to drink, so I always thought pub restaurants would do better than ordinary pubs.

Has Wetherspoons taken all the trade? Not that I'd go to one for a roast anytime soon.
 

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Sounds like the Table Table restaurant in Salisbury alongside the ancient Premier Inn (Hampden Park) has also been a victim to the Whitbread cuts. Not sure if it's going to get converted to more hotel rooms as an annex to that ancient hotel or if Premier Inn/Whitbread will knock both the restaurant building (as it's an unusual shape) & the ancient hotel down to rebuild as a more modern hotel site, similar to the newer PI on Southampton Road.

Bit of a shame as I've used that restaurant a few times when coming back from weekend trips with the car at Salisbury station as a Sunday evening treat.
Oddly enough, I've been keeping an eye on the restaurant venues that have been closing and for those that I know about either because I have used them or parents have used them or other people. I know who've used them over the time, a lot of the ones that are failing are next to somewhat more elderly members of the premier in estate, bear in mind you've still got an awful lot of the original 1990s roadside openings. Still trading and although the bedrooms and public areas have had at least one refurbishment, they are often still not at the standard of newest hotels as the brand and concept has changed so enormously since their days of travel in, etc, equally, some of the Premier lodge sites that have been harder to upgrade are not doing well either, so it's very much a case of watch this space. I think. Interestingly, the likes of Hilton or some of the intercontinental brands don't quite have the same amount of catching up to do in terms of product development and evolution down the years

Are there many standalone Beefeater restaurants (and the other Whitbread brands)? Harvester restaurants seem to be disappearing also, and I am not sure how Toby carveries are doing.

All these places were extremely popular for families and in particular for Sunday roasts, but now it seems they're just not considered profitable. It's odd too as there's a lot of profit on food compared to drink, so I always thought pub restaurants would do better than ordinary pubs.

Has Wetherspoons taken all the trade? Not that I'd go to one for a roast anytime soon.
I think the Harvester concept has probably had its day, certainly last time I was in one. It was a thoroughly depressing experience with the exception of the staff who were all lovely
Some of the sites have been converted into Toby carverey locations, this remains a huge success story for mitchells and butlers and whilst a few have closed, their remaining estate does well for itself and there's never any shortage of takers for either their breakfast or their main offering. And now that they've moved up a gear in terms of offering other things on the menu other than meat and vegetables, the popularity amongst families and groups is quite noticeable and some of their lunch time bar snacks are particularly good. I couldn't cook a roast dinner of that scale or indeed a breakfast of that quality for what they're charging for it. And as we haven't seen anything other than a few incremental price hikes in recent times, they must feel it's justifying itself. It's probably my favourite chain restaurant pub concept.

Spoons stopped offering a Sunday roast on its standard menu years ago but a handful with perhaps more dynamic managers or something. Vaguely resembling a proper chef in charge of its kitchen. Do still offer them as a special, often not even available to order on the app and the quality of these is variable, the one near Farringdon station does it and it's all right, nothing mind blowing, but then again I am very selective as to which JDW locations I'll use, so many of them are just awful
 
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Interesting to see the BBC reporting on inflation rates today and citing an increase in hotel charges as one of the factors.

See story below:


(I can't currently quote from the story as the BBC mobile app doesn't allow text highlighting).
 

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Oddly enough, I've been keeping an eye on the restaurant venues that have been closing and for those that I know about either because I have used them or parents have used them or other people. I know who've used them over the time, a lot of the ones that are failing are next to somewhat more elderly members of the premier in estate, bear in mind you've still got an awful lot of the original 1990s roadside openings. Still trading and although the bedrooms and public areas have had at least one refurbishment, they are often still not at the standard of newest hotels as the brand and concept has changed so enormously since their days of travel in, etc, equally, some of the Premier lodge sites that have been harder to upgrade are not doing well either, so it's very much a case of watch this space. I think. Interestingly, the likes of Hilton or some of the intercontinental brands don't quite have the same amount of catching up to do in terms of product development and evolution down the years


I think the Harvester concept has probably had its day, certainly last time I was in one. It was a thoroughly depressing experience with the exception of the staff who were all lovely
Some of the sites have been converted into Toby carverey locations, this remains a huge success story for mitchells and butlers and whilst a few have closed, their remaining estate does well for itself and there's never any shortage of takers for either their breakfast or their main offering. And now that they've moved up a gear in terms of offering other things on the menu other than meat and vegetables, the popularity amongst families and groups is quite noticeable and some of their lunch time bar snacks are particularly good. I couldn't cook a roast dinner of that scale or indeed a breakfast of that quality for what they're charging for it. And as we haven't seen anything other than a few incremental price hikes in recent times, they must feel it's justifying itself. It's probably my favourite chain restaurant pub concept.

Spoons stopped offering a Sunday roast on its standard menu years ago but a handful with perhaps more dynamic managers or something. Vaguely resembling a proper chef in charge of its kitchen. Do still offer them as a special, often not even available to order on the app and the quality of these is variable, the one near Farringdon station does it and it's all right, nothing mind blowing, but then again I am very selective as to which JDW locations I'll use, so many of them are just awful
I used to like getting a Toby carvery delivered on justeat. Strangely it was always delivered by the same guy in a Merc who didn't speak English. At some point though the satnav app he used received an update which placed my postcode a mile down the road from my house. This meant that delivery slowed down significantly and he took to shouting at me for giving him the wrong address, which rather spoiled the experience.

I tend to agree - workable food at good prices. I'd probably get fed up of it pretty quickly though, if it was the hotel restaurant and I wasn't near any other places.
 

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Interesting to see the BBC reporting on inflation rates today and citing an increase in hotel charges as one of the factors.
The Guardian are pointing out that the Taylor Swift tour may well have had an effect on this, with lots of people paying for very expensive hotel rooms around her tour dates. Interesting analysis.


Hotel prices rose by 8.8% annually in June compared with a much smaller rise of 1.7% a year earlier. Analysts suggested this jump was partly generated by demand for stays around the eight UK dates of Taylor Swift’s global Eras tour.
 

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I was looking at the Shrewsbury premier Inn for the Saturday night in August that coincides with the flower show. Room only flex rate is currently £172 - yes, there will be high demand but I have stayed before on The flower show Saturday booked about a month beforehand and I paid about £90 inc breakfast.
 

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What are prices like in the rest of the area for other chains or independence either by their own website or one of the booking platforms
I have found some family owned hotels within walking distance close by offering 2 nights that weekend for around £220 including breakfast which is much better value. Holiday inn 2 miles away has similar rates to premier inn.
 

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Premier Inn.
Bank holiday Monday 26 August:
  • Sheffield city centre £35
  • Manchester city centre £42 and £47
  • Buxton £57
All seem reasonable to me.
It all comes down to how fixed your date and location are.

Travelodge have four hotels in / very close to the centre of Manchester. The one near to the AO Arena / Strangeways can be had from £24.99. £32.99 for a 'Plus' room on the top floor at the refundable rate. Includes two Kit Kats and two Galaxy hot chocolate sachets!
 

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