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Does anyone know how many C stock trains havent been scrapped and still exist? Have any been preserved?
 
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As noted on wikipedia, 3 cars survived. 5721 is a static exhibit at the Acton depot, 5720 is a static feature in a school playground, and 5701 was donated to Royal Greenwich UTC
 
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As noted on wikipedia, 3 cars survived. 5721 is a static exhibit at the Acton depot, 5720 is a static feature in a school playground, and 5701 was donated to Royal Greenwich UTC

Thanks for the info. Thats a shame that only three coaches have been preserved. I would have thought that the London Transport Museum would have preserved a full six coach unit.
 

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Thanks for the info. Thats a shame that only three coaches have been preserved. I would have thought that the London Transport Museum would have preserved a full six coach unit.
C stock units were 2 cars long.
 

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Thanks for the info. Thats a shame that only three coaches have been preserved. I would have thought that the London Transport Museum would have preserved a full six coach unit.

I would much rather they preserve a full A60/62 set. Are there any plans to preserve the Sandlite unit?
 
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C stock units were 2 cars long.

London Underground units and formations always really confuse me. Personally though i dont see how they can call it a unit when it only has a cab at one end?

They were not highly rated except among a small cadre of afficionados

I always really liked the C stock. They were nice trains. They were certainly very useful during peak times with their four wide doors on each side of each carriage.
 

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I would much rather they preserve a full A60/62 set. Are there any plans to preserve the Sandlite unit?

This comes up every now and then. Who knows for certain at this point, but the reality is that there is nowhere to store it once it's Sandite duties are handed over to the D stock units. It's also uncertain as to how much scope there is for heritage operations once the new signalling starts to come online. Heritage has been descoped from the Thales CBTC contract.

An A stock unit should be out for at least some of this season, exams all going to plan.
 

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This comes up every now and then. Who knows for certain at this point, but the reality is that there is nowhere to store it once it's Sandite duties are handed over to the D stock units. It's also uncertain as to how much scope there is for heritage operations once the new signalling starts to come online. Heritage has been descoped from the Thales CBTC contract.

An A stock unit should be out for at least some of this season, exams all going to plan.

I'm guessing this will be on sandlite duties, not in service/railtour. Where's the best place to see it?
 

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I'm guessing this will be on sandlite duties, not in service/railtour. Where's the best place to see it?

Sorry, yes, should have said Sandite season. Full times not yet available but normally does three or so trips a day between Neasden and all northern reaches of the Met.

It had been hoped to use one of the units on passenger trips this year, but numerous issues conspired against it.
 

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Would it be possible to restore a 3 car C stock train back to operational working order for use on railtours I'm sure there was some speculation about it 2 years ago.
 

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Would it be possible to restore a 3 car C stock train back to operational working order for use on railtours I'm sure there was some speculation about it 2 years ago.

No. As mentioned upthread, all that is left are the 3 driving motors, 1 of which is without it's bogies. In order to run the train, you need a trailer car for the compressor. You'd also have difficulty coupling the 3 cars together as the inside coupling is of a different type to the wedgelock coupler used on the outside ends.
 

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They were horrible cattle trucks with pretty much no redeeming features.

However, they were around for a long while so it's good a few still hang around.
 

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Awful ,rough riding trains with a miserable cold blue / grey interiors. Suffered very badly from vandalism in the 1980's. Freezing in the winter with all the opening doors on the surface sections.

Refurbishing made them a bit more acceptable - see no reason to save any of them frankly.
 
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Would there be any way to modify them or modify the compressors to allow a two coach unit to run? It looks like 5720 is the one without bogies? So maybe 5701 and 5721 could be modified and coupled together to allow them to run railtours on the London Underground network like their 1938 stock train? It just seems a great shame that so many have been scrapped.
 

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i Loved the C stock there were great trains to drive they kept you on there toes and you never ever got 2 trains that behaved the same. I miss them for sure
 
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Also are there any C stock coaches that are still sitting in scrap yards and/or storage yards waiting to get scrapped? Or have they all been completely fully scrapped?
 

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London Underground units and formations always really confuse me. Personally though i dont see how they can call it a unit when it only has a cab at one end?
Because it's still a unit that can be uncoupled and combined with another unit to make a train. If that confuses you; then some units on the Central line have no cabs!
 

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This comes up every now and then. Who knows for certain at this point, but the reality is that there is nowhere to store it once it's Sandite duties are handed over to the D stock units. It's also uncertain as to how much scope there is for heritage operations once the new signalling starts to come online. Heritage has been descoped from the Thales CBTC contract.

An A stock unit should be out for at least some of this season, exams all going to plan.

The A Stock should be out for all of this season, what else would do the work?
 

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The A Stock should be out for all of this season, what else would do the work?

How about, umm, it's replacement? :roll:
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Also are there any C stock coaches that are still sitting in scrap yards and/or storage yards waiting to get scrapped? Or have they all been completely fully scrapped?

Completely fully scrapped.
 

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And when does one expect the D78 RAT to be ready, brake tested, proven reliable, with crews trained, platforms to fill it from and paths for it to run in?

Obviously it will run when the paperwork says it will run.

My (extremely reliable) sources are that it should share this year with the A stock, which - let's remember - was meant to have been retired by now. I am not prepared to divulge more on a public forum.

Anyway. All of this is off-topic from remaining C stock units.
 

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My (extremely reliable) sources are that it should share this year with the A stock, which - let's remember - was meant to have been retired by now. I am not prepared to divulge more on a public forum.

Not going to happen, and hasn't been expected to for some time.
 

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Obviously it will run when the paperwork says it will run.

My (extremely reliable) sources are that it should share this year with the A stock, which - let's remember - was meant to have been retired by now. I am not prepared to divulge more on a public forum.

Anyway. All of this is off-topic from remaining C stock units.

Not going to happen, and hasn't been expected to for some time.

I agree a lot more with Met Driver...

Taking what is essentially a brand new train and commissioning it, training people to use it, finding paths for it, and getting it to work in anger for this season is unlikely.
 
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I agree a lot more with Met Driver...

Taking what is essentially a brand new train and commissioning it, training people to use it, finding paths for it, and getting it to work in anger for this season is unlikely.



2Nd what met driver has said your information is wrong on that bluegoblin im afraid
 

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Fair play. Not the first time that goal posts have moved in a very short space of time, and won't be the last.

Always happy to hold my hands up when I get things wrong, which is more than some people. :)
 

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London Underground units and formations always really confuse me. Personally though i dont see how they can call it a unit when it only has a cab at one end?
Some stock such as the 1973 stock on the Piccadilly line has some units made up of a DM+T+DM, but most units are DM+T+UNDM - where UNDM stands for Uncoupling Non-Driving Motor car. The UNDM cars have shunting controls at the non-cab end of the unit, so the unit can be moved in depots and coupled up to a different unit.
 

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Some stock such as the 1973 stock on the Piccadilly line has some units made up of a DM+T+DM, but most units are DM+T+UNDM - where UNDM stands for Uncoupling Non-Driving Motor car. The UNDM cars have shunting controls at the non-cab end of the unit, so the unit can be moved in depots and coupled up to a different unit.

Technically that would be DM+T+UNDM for single ended units and UDM+ST+UDM for double ended units.

It's also the case for D78 stock and IIRC 1983TS. 86TS and 92TS went for super short units and did away with double enders, but dod have more A-B units than B-C and B-C(D) units. 95 and 96 TS has no double enders. 09TS has a shunting position in the MS cars but uses an SPC with jumpers. I dont think S Stock has any.
 

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Technically that would be DM+T+UNDM for single ended units and UDM+ST+UDM for double ended units.

It's also the case for D78 stock and IIRC 1983TS. 86TS and 92TS went for super short units and did away with double enders, but dod have more A-B units than B-C and B-C(D) units. 95 and 96 TS has no double enders. 09TS has a shunting position in the MS cars but uses an SPC with jumpers. I dont think S Stock has any.

What does S mean in a LU carriage designation, and, what's an SPC please?
 
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