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  1. simple simon

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    I recently watched some video of the C stock from the 1990's.

    Now thats when they were really bad... graffitti, etched paintwork, etc. At least though they had nice transverse seating.

    A short clip of this will be in my 'S stock contrasts and variations' film, when I finally finish it!

    just gotta script and image the bit about the rich heritage of trains used on the subsurface lines over the years. Its a shame that I cant show the F stock or anything from the early days of electrification. I've got a little CO/CP stock footage from when I was a teenager; will use that when talking about the ATO on the District Line. To return to this thread, yes there will be some C stock too, albeit when it was in full service / not scrapped units.

    Simon
     
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    Anyone know if the SWT cig in the third photo is the one that was moved from Southall by road a few months ago? [/offtopic]
     
  3. Dstock7080

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    As from the afternoon of Mon 10 Feb all H&C/Circle workings scheduled to be S7.
    District keeping 8x C for a little while longer, so the District Line workings from Hammersmith (H&C)-Edgware Rd will continue to be C Stock.
     
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    I was lucky to get a C stock circle at liverpool street on monday. probably the last time i'll use one. Rarely need to use the District.
     
  5. ModernRailways

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    Was in London today and all that was on the section from Aldgate - Hammersmith was S Stocks. Never saw a single C Stock. Seems really odd since last time I was down - November - it was hard to find an S Stock. District Line is next on the hit list and that should be full S stock by next year from what I've heard, although I'm quite glad to see all the old sub-surface stock go as the S Stock to me is really quite nice and their ride quality is brilliant when compared to the other stock.
     
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    So progress has certainly accelerated. For a while at West Ham last August it looked as though at least 1/2the H&Cs were still C stock. I should be in London in March and thus be able to ride an S7 for the first time. (I have done S8 on 2 occasions already.)
     
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    Definitely should be no problem finding an S stock... the challenge now is finding a C stock!
     
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    2 were in the Circle for most of the day, with a third joining them in the evening, one also onto the H&C late-on.
     
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    They must have been running close together then (2 or 3 trains apart max)? Never saw them once which is why I was so shocked considering that last time I was down it was hard to find S Stock!

    At the pace these have gone, the District Line will be equally as quick.

    Has anyone heard of any sort of farewell tour like they had on the Met for the H&C/Circle? I suspect the District Line will have a tour but that isn't likely to be for another year at least.
     
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    Yesterday they were running with a gaps of 8/6/2 trains between.

    Today, 2 were together then a gap of 11 until the 3rd.

    4 S7s should be on the District before the end of February, with the remaining 4 C Stocks removed in May.
    Farewell runs are being planned but only after they have been removed from service. It will not serve all locations that currently operate C Stock.
     
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    Any pointers as to which trains these are? I scanned through the WTT but can't seem to spot any.
     
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    I was out on the Circle yesterday chasing the C Stock down, was quite shocked as to how few there were - when I was last in London in December there were only a handful of S7s on the Circle.
     
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    Am I right in thinking there are some places (I think High Street Ken - Edgware Road) on the District that D stock can't go because they are slightly too wide?

    Can the new S* trains cover all routes on all the subsurface lines or will there still be some restrictions on certain routes?
     
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    WTT30: M-F
    0517½ HMS1
    0532½ ERd3.

    0542½ HMS2
    0557½ ERd3.

    0027 ERd2
    0042½ HMS1.

    0038½ ERd2
    0054½ HMS2.

    D Stock are in gauge for Edgware Road (have taken one there myself), they are too long for the platforms, SDO doesn't cover enough doors and D Stock have no cab CCTV (which allows S Stock to berth in the tunnel).

    The only restrictions for S7s are; not into Putney Bridge2; not into Mansion House2 -unless extreme emergency; unable to use Parsons Green 29Rd.
     
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    So the restrictions are length based not width based.

    So running the route is not an issue but some stops may have to be skipped?
     
  16. Peter Mugridge

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    The following C Stock rakes were out on 3rd February, not quite a complete list as I missed at least a couple of Wimblewares:

    5511 + 5715 + 5728
    5705 + 5546 + 5717
    5594 + 5553 + 5733
    5598 + 5570 + 5565
    5703 + 5547 + 5707
    5538 + 5552 + 5720
    5721 + 5531 + 5578
    5534 + 5586 + 5550
    5522 + 5555 + 5549
    5545 + 5524 + 5529
    5712 + 5551 + 5516
    5592 + 5517 + 5533

    At one point all three platforms at Hammersmith held C Stock simultaneously; not a very common sight these days!
     
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    D Stock would simply not run to Edgware Road, they would need to non-stop Notting Hill, Bayswater & Paddington.
    D Stock are narrower than C Stock, S Stock are narrower than both at platform level.

    (#169 updated with latest info)
     
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    There are only three other trains of C stock still in service*, so that would suggest only one of them was not used in service on that day.

    However I have noticed a couple of errors in that list. 5533 is listed twice, the unit with 5586 and 5550 is actually 5534. Also 5537 should be 5531 (unit 5537 was withdrawn in November).

    *These are (or were) formed:
    5501-6501 + 6709-5709 + 6543-5543
    5580-6580 + 5729-6729 + 6726-5726
    5596-6596 + 5560-6560 + 6727-5727
     
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    How quickly do they get cut up at the scrappers yard?

    Do they have lines of old C stock sets waiting for the deed to happen, or are they always cut up as soon as they arrive?
     
  20. Peter Mugridge

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    Oh dear, that's what happens when one tries to copy lists out at 01.00 in the morning when fighting to stay awake; I will edit the post tonight to correct the errors!:oops:


    Correction now made - my notebook does indeed match units 5531 and 5534 as you suggested.
     
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  21. bb21

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    I have copied Post 169 out and stickied it for the time-being, so that it makes updating easier for you and locating this information easier for others.
     
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    Apologies if this comes across as a daft question, but does this imply that C Stocks will be doing their final running on the 2 lines on the Monday morning? Or is Friday their last 'planned' day on the Circle and H&C?
     
  23. Dstock7080

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    Monday morning is correct.
     
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    Brilliant thanks, an early morning journey to London on the Monday it is then!
     
  25. Peter Mugridge

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    I have to point out that as the Monday diagram finishes around lunchtime, that makes Sunday the final planned full day of C Stock Circle / H&C operation.

    ( I have had it suggested to me that there may well be a C or two out on Sunday... )
     
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    Presumably there will be a couple of diagrams out on Saturday too?
     
  27. Peter Mugridge

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    Err... don't know, but I would imagine so.
     
  28. Dstock7080

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    3 are scheduled on the Circle on Saturday, 4 on Sunday.
    None are scheduled on the H&C at weekends although one of those Circle workings on Sunday stables at Barking.
     
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    This is a bit of a long shot, but does anyone know the full diagrams for the last two runs this Monday? Hoping to cover as much of them as I can. Thanks in advance!
     
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    You must have been quite unlucky really, because I used at least two different Cs on the Circle on the 1st February, first between Kings Cross and Edgware Road (about 09:00) and later in the day (15:00) between Embankment and Paddington- both of which were totally unplanned and just lucky.

    I agree with your comments about the S stocks, even if they do sound like ice cream vans when the doors open!
     
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