CAF Civity for TfW: News and updates on introduction.

[TT-ONR-NRN]

197005 and 197045 were accepted by TfW today.

Incredible

 

[sd0733]

197005 and 197045 were accepted by TfW today.

Was showing as accepted a while back on a list I saw, possibly an error/typo before. Would explain why its not been out though!

Apologies for the duff info in 045.

 

[6Gtraincrew]

197045 has entered service today.

 

[Jez]

197005 and 197045 were accepted by TfW today.

That's great news. According to RTT 045 is doing North Wales/Chester to Manchester today.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Apologies for the duff info in 045.

Not at all, you already provide us with so much valuable information.

That's great news. According to RTT 045 is doing North Wales/Chester to Manchester today.

Onto Cardiffs tomorrow please

 

[mmh]

Which is great if you have a 5 car set sat around doing nothing and the failed set happened to have failed near the Depot.
The former is more convenient for how GWR works.
The latter is much more convenient for how TFW works. TFW do a lot of unit splits across the network at places like Shrewsbury, Chester, Swansea, Carmarthen. Meaning things can be swapped around easily.

Fantastic theory, however in practice what happens is of this Sunday. A 197 broke down on Anglesey so there was no west bound service all morning, and very little east. This affected not only TFW with their whizzy new splittable trains, but also Avanti with their old fashioned splittable trains.

 

[Lurcheroo]

Fantastic theory, however in practice what happens is of this Sunday. A 197 broke down on Anglesey so there was no west bound service all morning, and very little east. This affected not only TFW with their whizzy new splittable trains, but also Avanti with their old fashioned splittable trains.

Apologies if I’m missing your point here, But that train failed en-route.

Compare that to this mornings 7:30 from Holyhead. A 2 car 158 that was failed during preparation and there was no available unit to replace it, so service cancelled.
If that service was a 4 car 158 and that 158 had failed, the service runs but as a 2 car.
Quite often ‘spare’ units are either not available or in the wrong place to be of any use.

 

[Caaardiff]

Fantastic theory, however in practice what happens is of this Sunday. A 197 broke down on Anglesey so there was no west bound service all morning, and very little east. This affected not only TFW with their whizzy new splittable trains, but also Avanti with their old fashioned splittable trains.

Not exactly sure what you're getting here.
The train you mention was already in service. No TOC would have another unit available at the point of breaking down in service, unless it happened to break down near the Depot. A broken down train blocking the line is not the same as a service being short formed because part of it broke down and had to go to Depot or didn't make it off Depot.
In the instance above, if it was a 4 or 5 car 197, the other set would have been able to have helped the service continue, unless bizarrely both sets failed.
Also do Avanti run 2 coupled sets as far as Holyhead?

 

[GWVillager]

Also do Avanti run 2 coupled sets as far as Holyhead?

Yes, though less regularly than Virgin Trains did.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Yes, though less regularly than Virgin Trains did.

It's a mixture of a single and a double at this time of year. More doubles in summer when traffic to Llandudno/Rhyl etc. is needed.

 

[Dan G]

197005 and 197045 were accepted by TfW today.

. How many trains are still to come?

 

[6Gtraincrew]

. How many trains are still to come?

003 & 005, 022-041

102, 103, 107. 113-126

 

[Diedinium]

197005 and 197045 were accepted by TfW today.

Here's 045 sat in the parcel bay at Chester Yesterday, apparently it was its first day in service.

 

[sd0733]

003 & 005, 022-041

102, 103, 107. 113-126

Not totally sure on the current status of 003 and 024 ERTMS wise but for now it seems likely that its all 3 cars to be accepted for the next batch of accepted units.

005 was accepted with 045 so that can come off the list too.

 

[Dan G]

So 39 formations still to come, out of a total of 77. Fifty percent accepted, one year after first introduction into service.

 

[Along the bay]

So 39 formations still to come, out of a total of 77. Fifty percent accepted, one year after first introduction into service.

Better than SWR at least.

 

[Jamesrob637]

So 39 formations still to come, out of a total of 77. Fifty percent accepted, one year after first introduction into service.

The second batch might be accepted in higher and faster droves though.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The second batch might be accepted in higher and faster droves though.

One every 10 days (the TfW plan) is still over a year before they are all in service.
The 158s are all supposed to be gone by then, too.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Not totally sure on the current status of 003 and 024 ERTMS wise but for now it seems likely that its all 3 cars to be accepted for the next batch of accepted units.

005 was accepted with 045 so that can come off the list too.

Do you mean all standard class only ones, or all including the /1Bs with the business?

 

[sd0733]

Do you mean all standard class only ones, or all including the /1Bs with the business?

From what I understand the Business ones will just follow on from the standard only units.

There's known issues with the layout that have been mentioned previously by others, but I believe thatll just mean the 'Business area' will be declassified rather than the units can't enter service at all. Things do rapidly change but that was the last thing I was told!

 

[GWVillager]

There's known issues with the layout that have been mentioned previously by others, but I believe thatll just mean the 'Business area' will be declassified rather than the units can't enter service at all. Things do rapidly change but that was the last thing I was told!

Will that be a permanent declassification?

 

[sd0733]

Will that be a permanent declassification?

I don't think anyone can answer that with any certainty yet. Workarounds were certainly being looked at though the results I don't know.

 

[Bikeman78]

Have you travelled in summer? They've even started running a 4car 158 set this summer (when enough units available)


I think on other threads it's been said that turbos covered vice HSTs to Oxford and beyond so Wales and west kept their HSTs running on several occasions

No doubt but all the early departures came off Landore. If they were routinely failing then something would get cancelled. The worst I had was the odd train running with a power car shut down.

 

[sd0733]

The 150 diagram on the Wrexham-Bidstons has today gone over to being a booked 197 diagram...however, covered by a 150 today!!

 

[SuperLuke2334]

197005 came out into service yesterday afternoon in the peaks from Chester to Manchester Airport.

 

[Along the bay]

A 150 covered for a 197 on Llandudno - Manchester Airport yesterday afternoon. Any ideas as to why?

 

[PaulHarding150]

Apologies if this has been covered already, but do we know what these 'problems' are?

Transport for Wales (TfW) said there was a shortage of carriages across the network on Tuesday.

TfW chief operations officer Jan Chaudhry-Van Der Velde said new trains from a factory near Newport had developed wheel problems.

He said: "The result of all of this is that a number of trains have had to go into the depots for repair so we didn't have as many carriages available to us on those north-south flows yesterday as we should have had - and we are very sorry about that."

Apology for Wales football fans over post-match rail delays

Rail bosses say a shortage of carriages affected services after the match against Turkey in Cardiff.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bob Price]

Interesting to see the Crewe Chester shuttle today is a pair of 153's

 

[sd0733]

A 150 covered for a 197 on Llandudno - Manchester Airport yesterday afternoon. Any ideas as to why?

Unit shortage. There looks to be 5 197s that have been stopped on Chester for at least 5 days, one of them since late September.
That's why the Bidston is a 150 today and the Crewe-Chester shuttle a very unusual these days pair of 153s, it was also a 158 the other day.

Once more units are introduced a small amount waiting repair shouldn't be as obvious as It currently is with a relatively small fleet.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Apologies if this has been covered already, but do we know what these 'problems' are?

Apology for Wales football fans over post-match rail delays

Rail bosses say a shortage of carriages affected services after the match against Turkey in Cardiff.

www.bbc.co.uk

My guess would be wheelset damage - wheel flats as it is after all the leaf-fall season. And it is I suppose the fleets first large scale exposure to the leaf-fall season so expect some new problems/lessons.

Happy to be corrected.