Caledonian Sleeper Class 92's

[TimboM]

92010 ran these today ... although much delayed for the return. Managed to catch 92014 running the Waverley - Polmadie CS stock too.

It was a good day .... until I started trying to do quotes on this board

Apparently they're driver training runs. The one with 033 yesterday was delayed/re-pathed for the return as well, so maybe the brews are good at Tweedmouth?

It's 92018 on the Carstairs portion at the moment rather than 014. 014 was stopped for exam the other day and still at Willesden.

 

[433N]

Apparently they're driver training runs. The one with 033 yesterday was delayed/re-pathed for the return as well, so maybe the brews are good at Tweedmouth?

It's 92018 on the Carstairs portion at the moment rather than 014. 014 was stopped for exam the other day and still at Willesden.

Apologies , you're right ... it was 018.

I've seen 014 so much recently, I just mentally assumed.

I think the driver had got the hang of it by Wallyford on the way back because he/she absolutely blasted through.

 

[TimboM]

Timings now in for the delayed China Clay tanks (as far as Carlisle at least) - bit anti-social for those of us in the NW, but folk nearer Carlisle may just get them in the morning sun. I believe 92044 is on them this week - but to be 100% confirmed. Also if the paths are to be believed, looks like it'll stop at Carlisle (to remove the 92); rather than Kingmoor.

The delay was with the tanks getting from Belgium to Calais - only arrived c.8am Wednesday morning which meant they could go through the tunnel Tue night as planned. The tanks were instead collected last night (by 044 and 032) and have been in D Moor today - presumably awaiting the sorting out of drivers/paths etc.

0S94 Tonbridge Yard to Dollands Moor (assisting Class 66): http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O40618/2017/11/02/advanced
6D94 Dollands Moor to Wembley EFOC: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O40622/2017/11/02/advanced
6S94 Wembley EFOC to Carlisle: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O40637/2017/11/03/advanced

In other news, 92044 hauled the Orient Express coaches through the tunnel on Tue night (for their appearance at St Pancras today - 2x Krupps locos did the Dollands Moor - St P move - see separate thread here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/krupps-tunnel-locos-to-st-pancras-1st-november-17.156422 ). Whichever 92 stays behind tonight (probably 032) will presumably be taking the coaches back through to Calais tonight.

 

[Far north 37]

seen one of the gbrf locos outside willesden tmd yesterday couldnt id it as it was blocked by a unit had the new style branding thought it must of been 92043

 

[TimboM]

seen one of the gbrf locos outside willesden tmd yesterday couldnt id it as it was blocked by a unit had the new style branding thought it must of been 92043

Yes, spot on. The other one (028) would've been up north at Garston on the cars.

(And 032 that looks similar is at the tunnel.)

043 has been "X" on TOPS last few days.

 

[TimboM]

92044 hauled the china clays as expected overnight (66731 DIT from Wembley). With the 2 day 'delay' to the tanks and the loaded working not being required by the customer next week, the plan is for 044 to stay in Carlisle station (and the tanks to stay in Irvine) and the empties will work back next Thurs night to Wembley (then on to Dollands Moor on the Fri pm) in the 'usual' empties paths that were going to be unused next week.

92043 was back in action this morning, running in from Willesden to work 5M11 ECS.

92032 took the Orient Express Pullman coaches back through the tunnel to Calais last night.

92010 made it to Craigentinny last night for tyre-turning; joining 92014 which is already there for tyre-turning/assessment/repair.

92018 and 92033 continue to hold the Sleeper 92 end up on the beds with the hired-in 90s (90016 + 90042). With 010 and 014 out of action thanks to the dreaded wheelflats, just four locos have been working the main runs under the wires (vs the usual five) with the Highlander locos splitting the Carstairs portion between them, managing to just about squeeze it in before / after working 1M16 / 1S25.

92038 (overhaul/mods/Dellners) and 92023 (Dellners) are in Loughborough, along with 92020 and 92006 on the long comeback trail.

92028 has just completed a fifth straight week on the cars - due a B Exam in a few days, so perhaps a chance for a different (blue & orange) 92 on the cars...?

92045/046 (Loughborough) and 92021/040 (Frethun) remain Stored.

 

[cj_1985]

should we expect 92038, and eventually 92010 and 92032, are likely to have the polo mints removed...?

 

[TimboM]

should we expect 92038, and eventually 92010 and 92032, are likely to have the polo mints removed...?

All GB 92s that have had the full overhaul to date have had the rings (and Crewe depot plaques) removed. There's also pics of 006 and 020 outside Brush with their rings removed and holes filled ready for painting.

You can draw your own conclusions, but when the overhauls/mods are all complete I think the tunnel rings (and depot plaques) will be no more.

I also expect 032 will be repainted into the "updated" blue and orange (as per 028/043) and 006/020/044 will go that way too.

Would be great to keep 044 in (repainted) Triple Grey + tunnel rings. Please Mr Smith

 

[TimboM]

92028 had its first run out on the beds last night in over 2.5 years - all seemed to go well (for the 92 at least - the 67 broke down after that...) - I've added some links to photos and a video of it at Crewe over on the Caledonian Sleeper Thread discussion, plus there's another photo on there of it stabled in the Klondyke in Waverley this morning.

Then another "first in a while" this morning, when 92043 took over 6X41 at Basford Hall - its first outing on the cars since October 2016 I believe.

Couple of pics here:
https://flic.kr/p/218AGGd
https://flic.kr/p/GgUR3z

Plus a video:

 

[cj_1985]

92028 had its first run out on the beds last night in over 2.5 years - all seemed to go well (for the 92 at least - the 67 broke down after that...) - I've added some links to photos and a video of it at Crewe over on the Caledonian Sleeper Thread discussion, plus there's another photo on there of it stabled in the Klondyke in Waverley this morning.

Then another "first in a while" this morning, when 92043 took over 6X41 at Basford Hall - its first outing on the cars since October 2016 I believe.

Couple of pics here:
https://flic.kr/p/218AGGd
https://flic.kr/p/GgUR3z

Plus a video:

As always, your updates are appreciated

 

[cj_1985]

Any word on when we can expect 038 to be released from Brush...?

 

[TimboM]

Any word on when we can expect 038 to be released from Brush...?

Not that I've heard. Shouldn't be too long though.

 

[Far north 37]

Read somewhere that 92006 is going to be released in cs livery and 92020 in gbrf colours is this right can anyone confirm.

 

[Mag_seven]

Read somewhere that 92006 is going to be released in cs livery and 92020 in gbrf colours is this right can anyone confirm.

Yes that is correct.

 

[TimboM]

Read somewhere that 92006 is going to be released in cs livery and 92020 in gbrf colours is this right can anyone confirm.

Yes, that's correct. Having now had the benefit of operating the Sleepers for 2+ years, its apparent that the core Sleeper loco fleet for the 5 electric diagrams* each night needs to be 7 locos strong, not 6. 92006 will be the additional loco painted in the CS Midnight Teal livery.

In addition to 006, 92020/028/043 (in GBRf Blue & Orange 'freight' livery) will also be getting the Dellner and ETS mods to enable them to support Sleeper workings as and when required to sub in for the 'core' 7 Sleeper locos. (92020 is the other loco along with 92006 that is currently being 'resurrected' at Brush - 020 will have been stored for the best part of 17 years when it eventually is reinstated).

No news yet either way on 032 and 044 (the remaining two active locos) as to whether they will get Dellners - I suspect a view will be taken as and when they go in for their major overhauls/reliability modifications in the fullness of time.

To recap:

"Sleeper" liveried locos (all Dellners): 92006/010/014/018/023/033/038
"Freight/GBRf" liveried locos (+ Dellners): 92020/028/043
TBC: 92032/044

(Stored: 92021/040/045/046)


*The 5 diagrams each night are:

Up Highlander Waverley to Euston (1M16)
Up Lowlander Glasgow to Euston (1M11)
Down Highlander Euston to Waverley (1S25)
Down Lowlander Euston to Glasgow (1S26)
Lowlander Edinburgh/Carstairs portion + associated ECS moves (5C11/1C11/1B26/5B26)

The 1S26 loco almost always does the 5S95 Down Highlander ECS from Wembley
The 1M11 loco also usually does the 5M16 Up Highlander ECS back to Wembley

 

[TimboM]

Bit more info:

Working on the basis 038 which is not far off release is now "modified", of the 10x Class 92s currently ear-marked to get the Dellners for Sleeper operations, all have had the reliability modifications, bar 006/020 which will have these as part of their "resurrections".

038 and 023 are currently in Brush having the Dellner modifications. The other 8 will need to have theirs done in due course (and again, the assumption is 006 and 020 will have this completed as part of bringing them back into service).

This will leave 032 and 044 as the only two yet to have the full reliability mods (and Dellners etc - if indeed they are to get these).

 

[Far north 37]

Bit more info:

Working on the basis 038 which is not far off release is now "modified", of the 10x Class 92s currently ear-marked to get the Dellners for Sleeper operations, all have had the reliability modifications, bar 006/020 which will have these as part of their "resurrections".

038 and 023 are currently in Brush having the Dellner modifications. The other 8 will need to have theirs done in due course (and again, the assumption is 006 and 020 will have this completed as part of bringing them back into service).

This will leave 032 and 044 as the only two yet to have the full reliability mods (and Dellners etc - if indeed they are to get these).

Thanks for the update very informative.
Didn't realise 92020 was 17 years out of use god thats a long time.
I do wonder how long 92044 will survive running about in triple grey for as well seems to be surving well.

 

[TimboM]

Thanks for the update very informative.
Didn't realise 92020 was 17 years out of use god thats a long time.
I do wonder how long 92044 will survive running about in triple grey for as well seems to be surving well.

020 was one of the seven European Passenger Services (EPS - aka Nightstar) locos withdrawn in April 2001 - along with 021/032/040/044/045/046. Eurotunnel (aka Europorte) bought five of them in Feb 2007 (020/021/032/040/044), but only ever reinstated 032 and 044. The other three remained stored, along with 045 and 046 which Europorte bought a few months later I believe. Europorte transferred the ownership of all seven of them to GBRf in Feb 2014 (when GBRf was still owned by Europorte).

006 is an ex-SNCF loco and was stored in Feb 2006 - so it'll have been out of action for "only" c.12 years by the time it returns.

Logically, the priority now will be on getting the Dellners fitted to the rest of core fleet (i.e. 010, 014, 018 and 033 once 038 and 023 are done) and 028/043 so they can support Sleeper ops when the Mk5s are fully in service. The 'resurrections' of 006 and 020 will also presumably be keeping Brush busy too. Consequently, I think 032 and 044 (in Triple Grey) will be running around "as is" for a while yet. Judging by 028 and 043's transformations, I suspect they'll both end up getting the same paint jobs when they finally go in for mods/overhaul (including 032 - as it still sports the old Europorte branding + tunnel rings etc. unlike the revised version 028/043 have).

 

[Far north 37]

020 was one of the seven European Passenger Services (EPS - aka Nightstar) locos withdrawn in April 2001 - along with 021/032/040/044/045/046. Eurotunnel (aka Europorte) bought five of them in Feb 2007 (020/021/032/040/044), but only ever reinstated 032 and 044. The other three remained stored, along with 045 and 046 which Europorte bought a few months later I believe. Europorte transferred the ownership of all seven of them to GBRf in Feb 2014 (when GBRf was still owned by Europorte).

006 is an ex-SNCF loco and was stored in Feb 2006 - so it'll have been out of action for "only" c.12 years by the time it returns.

Logically, the priority now will be on getting the Dellners fitted to the rest of core fleet (i.e. 010, 014, 018 and 033 once 038 and 023 are done) and 028/043 so they can support Sleeper ops when the Mk5s are fully in service. The 'resurrections' of 006 and 020 will also presumably be keeping Brush busy too. Consequently, I think 032 and 044 (in Triple Grey) will be running around "as is" for a while yet. Judging by 028 and 043's transformations, I suspect they'll both end up getting the same paint jobs when they finally go in for mods/overhaul (including 032 - as it still sports the old Europorte branding + tunnel rings etc. unlike the revised version 028/043 have).

Very interesting stuff they seem very commited to the sleeper gbrf and seem to be pulling out all the stops to have a good reliable fleet cant fault them on any part.

 

[gsnedders]

Very interesting stuff they seem very commited to the sleeper gbrf and seem to be pulling out all the stops to have a good reliable fleet cant fault them on any part.

It's worthwhile remembering that the 92s are the core of their electric fleet and they're seemingly wanting to move more freight to being electric hauled; the sleeper is only part of this.

 

[Far north 37]

It's worthwhile remembering that the 92s are the core of their electric fleet and they're seemingly wanting to move more freight to being electric hauled; the sleeper is only part of this.

Yes but modifying all there locos with dellners and the reliability mods i would say there looking at there electric fleet been more suited to being suited for passenger work and with buying more 66s and possibly 60s how much freight are they looking to be electric hauled really.

 

[TimboM]

It's worthwhile remembering that the 92s are the core of their electric fleet and they're seemingly wanting to move more freight to being electric hauled; the sleeper is only part of this.

The 92s are their electric fleet...! And, yes, as it stands they'll have 12 electric locos/92s, with 7 on the beds primarily and 5 for other/freight work.

Yes but modifying all there locos with dellners and the reliability mods i would say there looking at there electric fleet been more suited to being suited for passenger work and with buying more 66s and possibly 60s how much freight are they looking to be electric hauled really.

The mods are in the main for reliability generally - they're not just for the beds/passenger work (although that tends to get more focus when traction fails, particularly on the Sleeper).
The Dellners are also being done in such a way that the draw-hook and buffers are still useable - very much with the idea of still being able to use them for freight.
The Class 92s were designed almost three decades ago for two main roles - heavy (tunnel) freight and Sleepers - 25 years later that's what they'll be doing for GBRf...

 

[TimboM]

Due to some challenges getting the tanks through the tunnel last night, the loaded china clays are running late today - hopefully offering a rare opportunity for daylight viewing for those in the Kent/South London area - and looks like 92028 on its first tanks since major overhaul/new livery.

6D94 is on the move from D Moor to Wembley - should be 66706 with 028 tucked inside http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O45748/2017/11/22/advanced

There's no revised path in yet from Wembley as far as I can see (the original one was due to leave c.4am, which clearly isn't happening!) - so will need to keep an eye on that as expect a VSTP will go in once path/drivers etc. sorted.

 

[BRX]

Here's 92028 in the consist of that China Tanks working, passing through south London

 

[CosherB]

Yes but modifying all there locos with dellners and the reliability mods i would say there looking at there electric fleet been more suited to being suited for passenger work and with buying more 66s and possibly 60s how much freight are they looking to be electric hauled really.

92s are only good for 87 mph so I wouldn’t get carried away by the idea that we’ll be seeing them on other LHCS workings.

Also, point of order ..... Wabtec has bought the DBC 60s, not GBRf.

 

[Mag_seven]

There's no revised path in yet from Wembley as far as I can see (the original one was due to leave c.4am, which clearly isn't happening!) - so will need to keep an eye on that as expect a VSTP will go in once path/drivers etc. sorted.

This was the path used for 6S94 today:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O45842/2017/11/22/advanced

Seemed to have lost quite a bit of time in the Bletchley area however some of that lost time was made up and it is now at time of posting sitting at Crewe. When it will get away from there remains to be seen as there is now flooding between Preston and Lancaster.....

EDIT:now on the move north from Crewe
EDIT: arrived Carlisle 05.25 - uncertain as to when it will proceed from there to Irvine.

 

[TimboM]

This was the path used for 6S94 today:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O45842/2017/11/22/advanced

Seemed to have lost quite a bit of time in the Bletchley area however some of that lost time was made up and it is now at time of posting sitting at Crewe. When it will get away from there remains to be seen as there is now flooding between Preston and Lancaster.....

The delay on Wednesday at Bletchley was apparently due to a wheel flat on one of the wagons.

Cannot see any paths for the return of the empties yet - 92028 still in Carlisle (Yard per TOPS, but the 92s usually stable in the station). 66706 also showing as being at Carlisle on TOPS this morning having nipped off yesterday from Irvine to Kilmarnock to move a Sleeper coach from the repair shop (Brodies) to Polmadie.

 

[TimboM]

Some potential Class 92 moves coming up over the weekend:

92032 moved to Crewe yesterday (with 90042 which as part of one of the periodic hired-in 90 swaps for the Sleeper). Based on what's happened to 032 (or more to the case not happened) over the past week I believe 92032 needs to go to Brush for repair - to be confirmed though; and no paths in yet as far as I can see.

There is a path though for what I expect is 92043 to come off the cars tomorrow (Saturday) after its worked 6X41 tonight and head to Willesden (0Z92): http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R ... 5/advanced 043 is due an A exam soon, so this would fit in with that.

There is then a return light loco electric move from Willesden to Crewe Holding Sidings (0Z86) http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R ... 5/advanced ...my guess would be this is the 92 to replace 92043 on the cars - as there's then a light loco move path in from Crewe H.S. to Garston Car Terminal on Monday morning (0L48) http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R ... 7/advanced. The only option I can see for this would be 92044 which is currently on exam at WN.

66737 also ran light to Crewe yesterday - not sure where this fits into this (if at all) - it has been on MOD work, so its presence at Crewe may just be linked to this. However, it may also be put on 6X41 tomorrow morning to take over the weekend working of 6L48 (Sat pm)/6X41 (Mon am) whilst the 92s are swapped over. That said, the cars have been caped for the last two weekends. Likewise, may also be there as to tow 92032, although I'd have expected paths to be in by now for that if the 66 was already there for that purpose.

A few "wait and sees" but I think with the 0Z92 path at least tomorrow there's a good chance of seeing 92043 in the daylight on the southern half of the WCML.

 

[TimboM]

Plot thickens (maybe)... 92032 back to "N" (Normal) on TOPS, 92044 still on eXam. Jury still out on whether 032 is on cars or in Brush next and/or whether 044 heads north on 0Z86 tomorrow.

 

[TimboM]

VSTP has gone in this morning for what is most probably another light loco Class 92 move - assuming it runs it will be 92028 from Carlisle Yard to Polmadie on 0Z92

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O46692/2017/11/25/advanced

There are no paths in to take the china clay empties back south as it stands so seems like 92028 is getting moved to Polmadie in the interim - possibly to work the beds in some capacity or other?