Caledonian Sleeper Mk5 Discussion

[Tim R-T-C]

6701 - used for spares
10507
10508
10523
10548
10562
10613
10723

No Mk2, but otherwise as above with 10617 added. Seen here passing Hampsted Heath (sorry for low quality pic, taken from my twitter feed)

 

[TimboM]

Presumably just to standardise which end the half-set with two PRM sleepers is on. The FTW/ABD half is on the country end of the Highlander at Euston, as the GLC half is on the Lowlander. Means sets can be swapped between the two services at Willesden without having to turn them.

Ah... but as @Scotrail84 mentions above, the indications are the current way of shunting the Highlander at Edinburgh will be flipped to specifically put the ABD/FTW (2x PRM) at the country end of 1M16 at Euston/Wembley (opposite to what it is now) so that the 2x PRM half-set goes to Glasgow.

Why does it matter whether the 2xPRM set goes to Glasgow or Edinburgh? Is it because it has slightly lower capacity and there's more traffic to Edinburgh?

Expected loadings/demands I believe, yes.

 

[TimboM]

This was posted on a Yahoogroup earlier; full length Mk5 test running starts on Tuesday; the poster did make clear that the usual disclaimers apply:


Tuesday 22/1/19.


5M11 0100 Glasgow Central - Euston 1000


5Z13 1100 Euston - Wembley 1130


5Z25 1830 Wembley - Euston 1900


5Z26 2000 Euston - Glasgow Central xxxx


All times are provisional but are around this mark. 92033 & 92038 are planned to work this.


92020 should be on 6X41/6L48 next week on test, with a 66 DIT for insurance.

The actual timings for the Mk5 Lowlander test run will be a little bit different. There's a Carstairs portion (73/9 hauled) too - so a full Lowlander "mock-up". Paths no doubt out a day or two in advance on RTT etc.

92038 is due to work it - 92033 just doing the shunts at Wembley.

Off topic for this thread but the 92020 "gen" is way off the mark.

 

[BRX]

No Mk2, but otherwise as above with 10617 added. Seen here passing Hampsted Heath (sorry for low quality pic, taken from my twitter feed)

These carriages have been part of my life and various significant journeys for... well, my whole life from childhood to the approach of middle age. Sad to see these photos, and a shame they had to end their time in the indignity of that rubbish livery.

 

[Scotrail84]

No Mk2, but otherwise as above with 10617 added. Seen here passing Hampsted Heath (sorry for low quality pic, taken from my twitter feed)

The MK11 is being used for spares, was there no brake van in that rake? (not for scrapping, in case the set needs left without a loco)


Edit, theres no brake van. Caledonian MK3 sleeper coaches for scrap

 

[CEN60]

Stood at Uddingston Stn this morning at 6:55 and a loco hauling CAF Mk5 Sleepers in the CS Colours came thru' heading toward Glasgow - all the lights were on didn't really see anyone on it - but it was doing 75mph!

 

[59CosG95]

Stood at Uddingston Stn this morning at 6:55 and a loco hauling CAF Mk5 Sleepers in the CS Colours came thru' heading toward Glasgow - all the lights were on didn't really see anyone on it - but it was doing 75mph!

Would have been this working here: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O74961/2019/01/18/advanced

 

[CEN60]

Would have been this working here: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O74961/2019/01/18/advanced

Presumably going back into the large stash in the sidings at Polmadie!

 

[59CosG95]

Presumably going back into the large stash in the sidings at Polmadie!

Yep - they've been doing overnight test runs on that 5S08 path for quite a while now.

 

[Journeyman]

Why does it matter whether the 2xPRM set goes to Glasgow or Edinburgh? Is it because it has slightly lower capacity and there's more traffic to Edinburgh?

Yes, the Edinburgh services are busier all year round, but in the summer they're FAR busier.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Must admit to being surprised they didn't order uniform half-sets and just sell the extra PRM cabin as a standard one. Surely uniformity must be easier.

 

[Journeyman]

Must admit to being surprised they didn't order uniform half-sets and just sell the extra PRM cabin as a standard one. Surely uniformity must be easier.

The PRM vehicles have very limited capacity compared to the standard ones - the accessible berths are huge.

 

[59CosG95]

They've now been confirmed on Twitter to be phased in from June the 2nd. https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/1086192501042675712

 

[TimboM]

Must admit to being surprised they didn't order uniform half-sets and just sell the extra PRM cabin as a standard one. Surely uniformity must be easier.

The PRM vehicles have very limited capacity compared to the standard ones - the accessible berths are huge.

They are also the only coach to include the big, very expensive “Caledonian Double” suites. So not only less capacity but also the topped-priced rooms that are going to have a limited market.

Hence better off where not needed to have a standard Sleeper vice PRM/Caley Doubles.

 

[Kyle Allsopp]

Caledonian Sleeper Mk5s out on test early morning of the 17.1.2019
carriages numbers 15006, 15104, 15203, 15316,15324,15325,125329,15326,

Please have a look at the video

 

[Rick1984]

Is it just me that thinks the way the destination panel is attached to the outside of the carriage is really ugly?

View attachment 57818

my first thought was why does it need one?

 

[JohnMcL7]

my first thought was why does it need one?

Is it a feature they've implemented for the mk5A's and shared to the mk5's? I agree it seems pointless for the sleepers.

 

[Bungle965]

Is it a feature shared with the mk5A's?

my first thought was why does it need one?

Perhaps to give a clear indication as to which coaches will be going where.
If Serco didn't want it, they would have told CAF not to bother with it, unless for some reason it would have cost more to get rid of it...
Sam

 

[Rick1984]

ah the splitting does make sense!

 

[Clansman]

Caledonian Sleeper Mk5s out on test early morning of the 17.1.2019
carriages numbers 15006, 15104, 15203, 15316,15324,15325,125329,15326,

Please have a look at the video

Great video, thanks for sharing.

Is it a feature they've implemented for the mk5A's and shared to the mk5's? I agree it seems pointless for the sleepers.

The Mk5 Sleeper design came first did it not?

 

[OmniCity999]

I find myself a tad confused. Are the Caledonian Doubles not going to be available on services between London and Edinburgh?

I'm looking to book for a trip in October and it doesn't seem to allow it, however, it seems to allow any other terminal point?

 

[ScottDarg]

The actual timings for the Mk5 Lowlander test run will be a little bit different. There's a Carstairs portion (73/9 hauled) too - so a full Lowlander "mock-up". Paths no doubt out a day or two in advance on RTT etc.

92038 is due to work it - 92033 just doing the shunts at Wembley.

Associated paths now in RTT:

• Southbound 3Z11 in the early hours of 22/01: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04666/2019/01/22/advanced
• Northbound 3Z26 in the evening of 22/01: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97558/2019/01/22/advanced

There are other paths linked to this (ECS to depots, Carstairs - Edinburgh portions) but these are the main ones.

 

[GrimShady]

Going back to coupling ops, won't there still be umbilicals it disconnect between coaches when they divide at Edinburgh/Carstairs?

 

[TimboM]

Going back to coupling ops, won't there still be umbilicals it disconnect between coaches when they divide at Edinburgh/Carstairs?

Yes - 61-way jumper (multi-working) cables and ETS cables.

 

[TimboM]

I find myself a tad confused. Are the Caledonian Doubles not going to be available on services between London and Edinburgh?

I'm looking to book for a trip in October and it doesn't seem to allow it, however, it seems to allow any other terminal point?

The Caledonian Double rooms are in the same coach as the accessible rooms (aka the "PRM Sleepers") - and there will be one of those coaches in the Edinburgh half-sets. Seems either a booking glitch they're not available, or some other reason they're not showing as available. Might be worth giving CS a call.

 

[GrimShady]

Yes - 61-way jumper (multi-working) cables and ETS cables.

Doesn't this make the whole Dellner Coupler insistence moot?

 

[captainbigun]

61 way is TMS/pass-com.

The ETS is the challenge with an autocoupler. Better to leave as jumper/receptacle.

 

[alistairlees]

I find myself a tad confused. Are the Caledonian Doubles not going to be available on services between London and Edinburgh?

I'm looking to book for a trip in October and it doesn't seem to allow it, however, it seems to allow any other terminal point?

Which dates are you trying please and exactly what passengers and railcards do you have please? Also is it a single or return? If you let me know (you can contact me privately if you wish) I’ll take a look at the issue. Thanks.

 

[PaxVobiscum]

Caledonian Sleeper Mk5s out on test early morning of the 17.1.2019
carriages numbers 15006, 15104, 15203, 15316,15324,15325,125329,15326,

Please have a look at the video

Well done - thanks for posting!

 

[LeylandLen]

Im just a casual reader/observer of this thread.Obviously the MK5s have to be tested on the move and to accumlimate miles.
But what about testing with full load of passengers just to make sure everything is working ?Will it be done or will they wait until it enters service?