All the sleeper mark 5s are apparently rated at ETH index 11 (55kW), so load 8 (the standard on the Inverness) is index 88 and a full train is index 176. A Class 92 on AC is rated at 900kW (index 180), I believe. Don't forget that the ETH index is the maximum power draw and is only likely to be reached either with aircon going at full pelt on a hot day (unlikely on a sleeper train!) or if heating the train from very cold in the depths of winter (which is far more likely!) - even then, if the stock is heated from a shore supply the loco won't have the full load.I had a good look at the Highlander being serviced in Inverness this morning.
12 Mk 5s, so obviously a 73/9 can provide sufficient ETH (index 70 according to the data plate) for load 12. Which surprised me a bit, as load 16 has an ETH index >100 (hence requires a 92), and when I was at school 12/16=0.75, so if load 16 has ETH index >100, load 12 has ETH index >75. Though the formation only had 1 club car.
Did you get your whisky in the club car? Or is it now out of bounds to all but club and double passengers?
Ah apologies yes well perhaps we will get an update around midnight!the lowlander won’t be boarding yet!
The fact that you could use the club car on a classic room booking for a nightcap is heartening, were you allowed to use it in the morning or is it just reserved for double and solo club travellers?I had a great trip up to Glasgow last night. Can't really fault it. Only gripes were ongoing ones - lighting in Club Car far too bright and the stupid vinyls over the windows! Crew lovely, great nights sleep. Oh and I was at the end of the carriage for the first time. I did note a few bumps but nothing that prevented me from getting to sleep tbh.
No idea, on the Lowlander I want to maximise sleep as you arrive so early, so was happy with just tea in my cabin!The fact that you could use the club car on a classic room booking for a nightcap is heartening, were you allowed to use it in the morning or is it just reserved for double and solo club travellers?
If it works the same as "domestic" tickets, they are accepted provided you make a reservation. Seat reservations are free, supplements apply to the rooms.The fact that you could use the club car on a classic room booking for a nightcap is heartening, were you allowed to use it in the morning or is it just reserved for double and solo club travellers?
We are contemplating Aberdeen or Inverness from Crewe, did it years ago to Inverness and enjoyed it very much. Might form part of a short inter-rail holiday in Europe, flying from ABZ or INV depending on what cheap direct flights on offer, using inter-rail to get to near airport. Is inter-rail permitted on Caledonian Sleeper? I assume there would be a supplement?
This is confirmed on the Room Supplements page here: https://www.sleeper.scot/tickets/If it works the same as "domestic" tickets, they are accepted provided you make a reservation. Seat reservations are free, supplements apply to the rooms.
Britrail / Inter-Rail / Eurail / FIP Coupons will need to be valid on the date you arrive in your destination but not necessarily on the date you join the train for departures before midnight.
Thank you. I will.Lee_again,
Have a good trip and do not forget to update the board on how everything went, I am thinking of travelling Euston to Inverness in Club in November.
Had a great trip. A little late boarding but nothing of significance. My room was moved but so what... Great seats in the lounge car. Staff were all very good.Thank you. I will.
Don't the upper bunks just fold up like they do on continental sleepers? I wonder if they would have folded it away if they were asked? A bit irksome if you wake early and want to sit up for the last hour or two, but compensated by being able to eat in the lounge (which was my favourite part of the trip when I did it years ago).Thank you. I will.
Had a great trip. A little late boarding but nothing of significance. My room was moved but so what... Great seats in the lounge car. Staff were all very good.
Enjoyed a bacon roll travelling through the highlands before an on time arrival at Inverness. My only [very minor] gripe… the upper deck bed wasn’t put away. Other than that, perfect.
That last bit was on this thread some ways back, essentially they decided that they were no longer going to fold away the top bunk for single occupancy bookings. The way they framed this operational change was... emm.. rather irksome to many on here with it's rather fake and condescending tone I recall.Thank you. I will.
Had a great trip. A little late boarding but nothing of significance. My room was moved but so what... Great seats in the lounge car. Staff were all very good.
Enjoyed a bacon roll travelling through the highlands before an on time arrival at Inverness. My only [very minor] gripe… the upper deck bed wasn’t put away. Other than that, perfect.
It is possible to Dellnerise a 66 but it isn't pretty. The main problem though in trying to Dellnerise a 66 for sleeper operations would be the necessity to fit some kind of ETS / ETH Through feed, i.e to allow the 73 to still provide the ETS if it ends up as the leading loco.But that's precisely what they did with the 92s that are also doing freight work. That said the more fun albeit ridiculous idea would be to mount Dellners onto the freight trains a la DB/SBB's experimentation.
(It's likely to be financially irresponsible to Dellnerise the 66s seeing as GBRF have a perfectly good barrier vehicle already, but the technical side doesn't seeem like an issue.)
It is possible to Dellnerise a 66 but it isn't pretty. The main problem though in trying to Dellnerise a 66 for sleeper operations would be the necessity to fit some kind of ETS / ETH Through feed, i.e to allow the 73 to still provide the ETS if it ends up as the leading loco.
GB Railfreight Class 66 66751 'Inspiration Delivered', Hitachi IEP Class 800s, EWS Class 67 67008 & 67023, & London Underground 'S' Stock
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GBRf 66751 stands in the Down Goods Loop at Langham with a Hitachi IEP Class 800 EMU on Saturday 18th July 2015. The unit (800.001) had been testing on the East Coast Main Line and was returning to Old Dalby as 5M98 the 05.51 from Tallington. Note 66751 has been fitted with a special coupler for...www.flickr.com
How many 67s or 68s do GB lease again?If there was a desire to move away from the 73s, wouldn't 67s or 68s be the viable alternatives?
I thought the ladders were fixed on the new sleepers. That's what a friend who travelled on one recently told me.I always take the ladder off the upper bunk, frees up a bit of space.
Well obviously none when they have no need for them. If they did see a need, then conversations would be taking place.How many 67s or 68s do GB lease again?
Leaving aside the question of ownership and availability it would be theoretically possible, provided of course that the locos could be fitted with Dellner couplers. ETH supply could be a bit tight with the 67s (they index 66 compared to 70 for a 73/9), but would be no problem for a 68 (index of 96, apparently).Well obviously none when they have no need for them. If they did see a need, then conversations would be taking place.
That might be CS’s intention but I was able to remove mine fairly easily.I thought the ladders were fixed on the new sleepers. That's what a friend who travelled on one recently told me.
I thought the ladders were fixed on the new sleepers. That's what a friend who travelled on one recently told me.
Surely that’s only a problem for the WHL given they drag containers to both Aberdeen & Inverness regularly?Off the top of my head 68s would also need to have the route clearance paperwork done for the lines they've not already covered as part of their previous Fife Circle work, but as they're RA 7 (compared to RA 8 for a 67) it shouldn't be too much of a pain.
68s? I've definitely seen 66s and 67s up this way but don't recall seeing any 68s. What flow is that on?Surely that’s only a problem for the WHL given they drag containers to both Aberdeen & Inverness regularly?