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I was wondering if all the DLR stock will see seating changes to longitudinal in the middle of carriages?

And how many have been altered so far?
 
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I was wondering if all the DLR stock will see seating changes to longitudinal in the middle of carriages?

And how many have been altered so far?
I believe only the B07 were done, and all are complete now. Last unit appeared to be 132, which was done in January 2016. Generally I prefer this layout, but I don't like the removal of one of the large partitions next to one centre door.
 

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Thatnks. So that's about 40% of the fleet? I think I read the rest can't be altered now you mention it.

The last few trips I've taken even on altered stock have been so busy. They pass through major areas of growth like the Royal Docks, Canning Town and Stratford. Even with Crossrail in 2-3 years it's going to be tough.
 

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It wasn't designed to be but now the prediction is it will be pretty soon. But there is scope to expand the trains from 9 to 11 car.

DLR is running at near 10% annual growth. That could well become 15% over the next 2-3 years before Crossrail arrives to relieve. Even when it does - with a lot of new developments DLR is on the doorstep and Crossrail will be a 10-20 minute walk so 90% of people will go for the DLR. See the big riverside sites on the Woolwich branch, for example.
 

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Has any more been heard of the plan to buy some DLR units that are about three times as long as the existing ones? As they mostly run three coupled anyway, this will increase capacity by making use of the space over the couplings and by allowing people to move through inside the train.
 

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It wasn't designed to be but now the prediction is it will be pretty soon. But there is scope to expand the trains from 9 to 11 car.
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Which wil probably happen 2 or 3 years after it is really needed, after constant moaning by users
 

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Surely Crossrail will remove a very large number of passengers who presently change at Lewisham for the DLR?
 

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Will it? Crossrail meets SE metro routes only at the Greenwich line, which doesn't serve Lewisham in the peaks.

Many of those on the Sidcup, Bexleyheath and Greenwich lines past Woolwich will still use the Lewisham DLR branch.
 

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Will it? Crossrail meets SE metro routes only at the Greenwich line, which doesn't serve Lewisham in the peaks.

Many of those on the Sidcup, Bexleyheath and Greenwich lines past Woolwich will still use the Lewisham DLR branch.

It's possible that some people will take the bus to Abbey Wood to catch Crossrail, rather than going via Lewisham onto the DLR, I don't know if this will have a major effect though
 

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It's possible that some people will take the bus to Abbey Wood to catch Crossrail, rather than going via Lewisham onto the DLR, I don't know if this will have a major effect though

Not worth it with current traffic levels let alone when the thousands of homes + added traffic arrive. From Bexleyheath the only road is the narrow Knee Hill really. No chance of widening as through ancient woodland. There's other longer alternatives but busier and no time saving beyond SE to Lew then DLR.
 

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It's possible that some people will take the bus to Abbey Wood to catch Crossrail, rather than going via Lewisham onto the DLR, I don't know if this will have a major effect though

It does seem likely that some people who live between Bexleyheath and Abbey Wood who currently go to Bexleyheath to get a train there would swap to CrossRail. Bus links to Abbey Wood from the South are pretty atrocious at the moment, but I understand TfL are working on improving bus links to Abbey Wood in preparation for CrossRail, so I wouldn't be surprised if Bexleyheath-Abbey Wood bus journeys became easier. Also, there's anecdotal evidence of quite a few people driving and parking around the common at the top of Bostall Hill and walking from there to Abbey Wood. That's likely to increase.

However, overall, I can't see that having more than a very modest congestion-relief impact on trains through Bexleyheath, and it certainly won't be significant for the DLR at Lewisham. I would expect the main congestion-relief for the DLR to be on the Woolwich branch, since most people who currently board the DLR at Woolwich Arsenal will use CrossRail instead. I would expect a significant number of passengers along the corridor between Excel and Bank/Tower Gateway would swap to CrossRail too. But as others have pointed out, that'll all probably be more than offset by future growth in the DLR anyway.
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Not worth it with current traffic levels let alone when the thousands of homes + added traffic arrive. From Bexleyheath the only road is the narrow Knee Hill really. No chance of widening as through ancient woodland. There's other longer alternatives but busier and no time saving beyond SE to Lew then DLR.

Knee Hill will certainly get even busier. However, since parking opportunities at Abbey Wood are limited, I imagine relatively few people will drive down that road to get to the station. What you will see is more people parking around Bostall Heath or down New Road (already happens quite a lot even without CrossRail). Buses would use New Road, not Knee Hill, to get to Abbey Wood.
 

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Has any more been heard of the plan to buy some DLR units that are about three times as long as the existing ones? As they mostly run three coupled anyway, this will increase capacity by making use of the space over the couplings and by allowing people to move through inside the train.

Wont be long before they have finalised the design for them and get to work building them and a new depot for them

I would expect the main congestion-relief for the DLR to be on the Woolwich branch, since most people who currently board the DLR at Woolwich Arsenal will use CrossRail instead. I would expect a significant number of passengers along the corridor between Excel and Bank/Tower Gateway would swap to CrossRail too. But as others have pointed out, that'll all probably be more than offset by future growth in the DLR anyway.
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They are forcasting a 20% reduction in traffic when CR opens but estimate itll be about 23 years before it gets back to levels theyre at now.
 

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They are forcasting a 20% reduction in traffic when CR opens but estimate itll be about 23 years before it gets back to levels theyre at now.

Who's forecasting that? That implies accumulative 25% growth (to exactly compensate for the 20% fall) over 23 years - which works out a bit less than 1% per year. That seems absurdly low to me given the location.
 

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Who's forecasting that? That implies accumulative 25% growth (to exactly compensate for the 20% fall) over 23 years - which works out a bit less than 1% per year. That seems absurdly low to me given the location.

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Who's forecasting that? That implies accumulative 25% growth (to exactly compensate for the 20% fall) over 23 years - which works out a bit less than 1% per year. That seems absurdly low to me given the location.

There's a piece in June's Modern Railways with a graph that suggests overall ridership would return to the previous level only a couple of years after Crossrail opens. However they expect major changes to passenger flows, presumably far fewer people between Bank and Canary Wharf but others using DLR as a feeder to access Crossrail stations from new houses and offices that aren't within walking distance.
 
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