Changing one of the names on a Family Railcard?

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Is it possible to change one of the names on a Family Railcard, providing the Railcard is not transferred to someone else?

Nothing says you can't in the T&C's. Surely this must be possible since someone might change their surname or even have a sex change? (This isn't why I'm enquiring, by the way. :lol:)
 
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Nothing says you can't in the T&C's. Surely this must be possible since someone might change their surname or even have a sex change? (This isn't why I'm enquiring, by the way. :lol:)
Do either of these apply?
 

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Can find nothing in the Ts and Cs, but it might be the case that if proof of change (marriage certificate etc) is presented, then a replacement might be issued, along the lines of condition 11:

11.The Railcard will not be valid if it is damaged. The Train Companies do not undertake to replace damaged, lost or stolen Railcards, to issue refunds on unused/unwanted Railcards, or to extend their validity. However, an application for the replacement of a Railcard may be made at any staffed station ticket office (the completed ‘Receipt’ voucher from the original application form must be produced). Where the Railcard was purchased online, customers may only request a replacement online at www.familyandfriends-railcard.co.uk.

A £5 administration fee will be payable for the replacement of a damaged or lost Railcard. No fee will be charged for the replacement of a stolen Railcard provided you have a crime reference number/documentation issued by the Police. You will be requested to show some form of identification if obtaining a replacement from a station.
 

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I presume if there was a legal reason for changing the name (a sex change for example) it would be acceptable. The railcard is not transferable (condition 2).
 

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I'm not sure if illness of the named cardholder and changing it to the name of a spouse would be acceptable? Seeing as the spouse would have been travelling with the named cardholder anyway and is a member of the same family, so the Railcard isn't being "transferred" exactly.
 

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The most obvious name change scenario hasn't even been mentioned - marriage. Id assume a marriage certificate is required
 

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If entitlement is being given to someone else I would have thought it was being transferred, but if it is a matter of being too ill to travel any more, it might be worth contacting the company that issued the railcard (or ATOC) to enquire, wouldn't hold out much hope though.
 

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I'm not sure if illness of the named cardholder and changing it to the name of a spouse would be acceptable? Seeing as the spouse would have been travelling with the named cardholder anyway and is a member of the same family, so the Railcard isn't being "transferred" exactly.
This should not apply, as normally the spouse would be the 2nd cardholder anyway.

If someone else has been named as the 2nd cardholder then, well, that decision has consequences and you cannot change the 2nd cardholder once the Railcard has been purchased, as I understand it.
 

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Probably have to bite the bullet and buy a new card. Obviously this is no good if the only eligible child has turned 16 since the original card was purchased.

I would not recommend that you find someone who looks like they could be the original card holder and ask them if they want to travel with you.
 

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I would not recommend that you find someone who looks like they could be the original card holder and ask them if they want to travel with you.
I have never considered that both adults must be named on the card and am wondering how many holders may inadvertantly be guilty of a s.5 RoRA offence.
 

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I have never considered that both adults must be named on the card and am wondering how many holders may inadvertantly be guilty of a s.5 RoRA offence.
Eh? There's no requirement to have two named holders - though it's obviously an advantage to do so - and only one named holder needs to be travelling for the Railcard to be valid. And how can one be inadvertently guilty of an offence which requires intent?
 

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One of my friends was on Facebook today asking if anyone had a Family Railcard they could borrow. As there's a possibility (maybe unlikely but still a possibility) that they could be asked for additional evidence that they were one of the persons named on the railcard I suggested strongly that they didn't do this but got together with another family to buy a railcard such that ONE parent from each family (the one who's most likely to travel with children) become the holders and share the cost.

They aren't very well off so the possibility of a whole family getting gripped on a journey wasn't a pleasant thought for me.
 

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The possibility of the names being checked, let alone a request for additional ID, is minuscule. But whilst I am making use of the "aged 16 but still able to buy CHFAM tickets" easement, encountering a number of guards who are unaware of or even deny such an easement, I need to fully comply with the T&C's so as to not encounter problems further down the line if, for example, I needed to contest a UPFN.

The problem that caused me to create this thread is no longer applicable, so whilst I am still no nearer to receiving a definitive answer, I will not be posting again on this thread.
 

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You don't need ID to validate a Railcard as such a requirement is not listed in the T&C's. However, I see no reason why a suspicious guard or RPI could not request someone to produce ID later on.
I know. That's why I couldn't just sit tight and let friends think railcards are transferable when I know better, even thought they're odds on to get away with it.
 
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